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Mr. Conder,

I left the Baptist Church because HWA showed me their errors. When the WWCOG imploded I became a member of a splinter church. Then I received a free copy of your second book from a friend.

After about thirty minutes of reading it started to become clear to me why I could never feel that I was in contact with my God. By the time I completed it I was free, and bid religion good by.

I now have no religious affilations and don't know a thing about theology. But I feel like I know as much as any man that ever lived, which is nothing.

Thanks for your efforts, You have done more for me than anyone else in my life.

Sincerly,
JPM

Dear J,

It's good when someone steps up and offers some insight and encouragement. And what a well-worded statement of belief! I wish everyone could be this honest about what they don't know.

Please feel free to give your input at any time.

With kind regards,
Darrell

Mr. Conder, I have known of you since 2005, and always had you in the back of my mind. I disagree much with you're seeming lack of understanding of Semitic culture (and particularly think you're Jehovah Comes Out of the Closet article to be excessive). Nonetheless, there are still troubles I have with the Bible.

Do you know of Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed? It is basically about Judaism and Zionism, and on the beginning chapters it talks about the documentary hypothesis for the origin of the Old Testament/Tanak, and stipulates that Ezekiel was the real inspiration the Torah (and it is this mad epileptic who seems to indulge with most relish in the sort of brutality which distinguishes that collection of books, a curious fact which even Holding/Turkel, who I respected much, seemed to have been unable to explain in his writings). Reed claims that this attitude (which we can for practical purposes call Jehovah, in a Jungian sense of representing the collective Jewish psyche) betrayed it's inventers, but was then adopted by another, more vital, group of Turkish nomads called Khazars, who would become the ancestors of today's Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian Ashkenazim (who would refine what was invented by the Semites into something even more vile, which is none-other than Capitalism and Zionism).

users.cyberone.com.au/myers/bengur-bible.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/baruch-plan.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/wells-lenin-league.html

I am curious, with your debate with Ben Lewi, you mentioned the Bolsheviks as being Jews bent on killing Christians. Now I have these pages which seems to deal with this Jewish character of Bolshevism (it looks like Communism, from Engles onward was a form of Frankism).

users.cyberone.com.au/myers/zioncom.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/lenin-trotsky.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/nedava.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/trotsky.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/sex-soviet.html
theawarenesscenter.org/jacobfrank.html

This now brings us to Marx himself. First, you may be interested in a poem written by the man in his college years called Oulanem , which is basically his antagonism with God and such, this seems to corolate with his father's wishes that he pursue business over academia, this reasoning is laid out and laborated in Part II of On the Jewish Question, here is what he claims the core of Judaism and it's god is in actuality Earthly power, and apparently claims that the capitalism is simply Judaism refitted for a modern, technological world (with Capital being God, and the Bankers his Levitical priesthood). Since we have seen that Communism is most probably a Frankist sect created by Engles (and if you look closer, you will see that Marx's ideas are often contradicted and superseded by what amounts to Engle's propositions) this means that Marx was apparently an Apostate who was bamboozled back into the fold by a heretical sect wanting his talents to promote their ideas (note how Communist Manifesto protects central banking, which Marx consistently denounces everywhere else).

Some interesting facts here (apparently, Marx was dirt poor and had to rely on Engles, who also seems to have introduced Marx to Masonry and the proto-Zionist Moses Hess, who Bakunin blames squarly for Marx's decision to oust him from the IWA)

May I also suggest to you EricHufschmid.net? This is a very good site, please spend some time here, his philosophy on life (as well as his incredible revelations) may be very well worth while.

erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-29Dec2007.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/list-of-neocons-for-Iraq-war.htm
erichufschmid.net/HistoryOfIsraelAndTheUSA.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/Rothschild-timeline-revised-excerpt.html
erichufschmid.net/Axis_of_Perverts3.html
erichufschmid.net/HoloHoax/Holocaust-Deniers.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm
erichufschmid.net/Infiltrate/InfiltrationOrIncompetence.html
erichufschmid.net/WhatToDoWithTheUSA.html
erichufschmid.net/Social_Tech/Social-Tech-Part-3.html
erichufschmid.net/Social_Tech/Social-Tech-Part-2.html
erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/Dumbed-down-Part-1.html
erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/Dumbed-down-Part-4.html

Thank you much, though I still disagree with some of your conclusions, you are at least driven by a desire for truth.

Thanks Fellow Traveler,
IdeoNaut
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From: IdeoNaut
Sent: Wed 2/20/08 10:34 PM
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com

I want to add to your readers that something is wrong, all the links to Eric's site on your rants page are not working, likely a problem with youre web-space provider. I just want to let everyone know that Eric's site does work, just type the addresses directly or navigate his site and all of you should do fine [Note from webmaster: thanks for bringing the link problem to our attention. The links are working correctly now.] (BTW: This is a new article of his which I think is really important, and should help us recognize that Zionists/Jews/Khazars/whatever are not monsters, but just sick like the rest of us and largely being abused by their more aggressive or crafty fellows:

erichufschmid.net/Zionist-Bullies.html

We have to start acknowleging our handy-caps and do something about them and stop sweeping all under the rug!).

I also want to present the part of Reed's Controvercy of Zion which mentions Ezekiel as the true founder of Judaism and it's subsequent religions (who is attributed with the "D" texts, the "P" or Levitical texts being later refinements of this). BTW: The whole beginning chapters make for very fascinating reading

gnosticliberationfront.com/controversy_of_zion.htm#people%20wept

I also have the two texts writen by Marx. Oulanem (a grizzly poem written by Marx during struggles with his father over career, it is here where we can guess that Marx, who was raised Catholic by crypto-Jews, felt increadable betrayal and whent through a nervous breakdown as a result, this is his sad cries of hurt)

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1837-pre/verse/verse21.htm

On the Jewish Question (This is in two parts, part one describing Marx's general views of religion, basically stating that Religion is simply a mnemonic device for helping people grasp abstract concepts, and that we should discard the mytho logical trappings for the underlying knowlege and philosophy promoted by such, part two is much more specific, where Marx describes Capitalism as no less than secular Judaism, in this context, the rest of his work takes on an intersting mission, a mission against what seems to be the heart of Ezekiel's Frankenstein monster of Mesopotamian egoisms, indeed, capital is like a Golem, a being eminating out of the priesthood to shield the world's real, physical economy, from the Proleterian Goyim, thus liberation first through the destruction of capital fetishism/wage slavery, and the the abolishion of commodity fetishism through collective ownership of such and planned industry).

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/index.htm

I just wanted to clarify some things for your'e readers, we are likely on the verge of an increadible new era where all the mistakes of the past (particularly the chaff of the 20th century) will be discarded, leaving thebest of every ideology. It can only happen if we are mature anough to ban together to create the Kingdom of Heaven for ourselves and eachother (and not rely on some fantastical, alien entity to do it for us, whether it be imaginary gods, politicians, professionals, and those lurking in the shadows stacking the cards like archons to keep us corrupt and dependant).

Thanks much, Darrell
IdeoNaut

----- Original Message -----
From: L
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: (no subject)

All of mankind has had gods of one sort or another. Yes even Communism is a religion and it has destroyed more people than any other ideology. People of faith know these two truths: The JUST shall live by faith and The kingdom of God is not food or drink but righteousness and peace in the Holy Spirit. This then is what should be known: it is not the truth that is at fault but the selfish men and women who have no idea of what true holiness is. God' kingdom is eternal, all encompassing and most profound. He requires nothing more than to "love mercy and do justice" Those who need proof only have to look around and see that everything that pertains to life has been provided us. It is for us to love without question and shine as the brightest sun. Everything else is waste.

----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Parks
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:52 AM
Subject: Website - Heckuva job!

Mr. Conder,

I can't recall how I stumbled upon your website but I'm glad I did. I found a compendeum of articles, questions and criticisms of religion in general and specifically Christianity that contained the majority of issues that have long driven intelligent people away from our (American's) primary native faith, religiouis beliefs and all having to do with the concept of god. I recongize these ideas as ones I shared at one time. However, I have, since returning to Christianity at age 30 (I'm 59), not found that any of these notions could stand up against proper (in my opinion) study of the faith and I therefore remain a plain old garden variety Christian.

Why? You may ask. Whose kool aid did I drink?

My initial journey was not so atypical; I was born into an Episcopalian (Mom's side) Methodiest (Dad's side) family, was a confirmed (at 13) Episcopalian who ran off after some of the many forms of spirituality that lured away many in my Baby Boomer cohort, just as soon as we were able to shake free of our parent's orbit. After doing a lot of drugging and partying, spending nearly 7 years in a Marin County commune I decided to reexamine the Christian faith, with a very critical eye, at age 30.

I went and experienced the pogo stick exhuberance of The Foursquare Church in the late 70's, something which allowed me to witness firsthand the birth of what was soon to be known as "the religious right." Thankfully seeing through that nonsense and going on to study under the eccentric but very scholarly Gene Scott, from whom I learned the art of honest research, and finally declared myself a free spiritual agent - though still Christian - some 17 years ago.

I'm the last person to be found defending the Roman Church, though Constantine's an even more interesting character than even you know. I tend to follow the activities of the follower's of the originator of the faith as they travelled into The Rhone River Valley and Britain, granting to Rome the Headlines but not the core of the faith.

At any rate, I'd love to engage you in a discussion with regard to many things that you've researched and written about, having a slightly different take on some, agreeing on others:

For example I'd surely stipulate that the story of the Mother and the Child God emanates from Tammuz and his Mother Semiramis, who found herself inconveniently pregnant after her husband Nimrod got whacked, probably by Noah's Son Shem. It seems that Nimrod's Father (or Grandfather Ham (Shem's brother), some uncertainty here) swiped Noah's garment - said to be fashioned by The Almighty HImself - which gave him power over animals. You'll recall that Nimrod was declared to be "a mighty hunter before the Lord," some translators rendering the word "before" to say "against," which would make more sense. So then Shem, who was by the way, a teacher of Abram (Abraham) had been searching for him for years.

In The Gilgamesh Epoch it is told that Shem slew NImrod, cut his body in many pieces which he sent to the four corners of the Earth. Rather unfriendly of him, wouldn't you say? Anyway, it would seem that his Wife was a bit of a slut who found herself "with child" after her hubby's demise so she, taking advantage of Nimrod's godlike status, declared that Nimrod returned to his origin, The Sun, and impregnated her by means of a sunbeam.

Ha, and you thought Mary's tale was outlandish!

Thus she and Tammuz became the root of those who would bare other names (she, Isis, Diana, etc) in other cultures. On that we agree. However, I believe that this was a counterfit inspired by Lucifer, who knew by virtue of his antiquity and knowledge of spiritual laws, that a god/man hybrid was part of The Almighty's plan to reconcile fallen mankind to Himself. Lucifer and certain men believed this all had to do with bloodlines and future Earthly power but they were incorrect. Why they were incorrect touches the heart of the true Christian faith.

So then, are you interested in further discussions? I have yet to read your other debates but I'll bet they're rip roaring affairs! I shall do so (read them) soon.

You may print this in full or in part, if you so choose. Additionally I have no objection to the posting of my e-mail address and name, Benjamin (a fine judeo/christian name, eh?). My initials are BP.

Look forward to hearing from you. Benjamin

PS. My spell checker is broken, so forgive the errors, some of which I'll surely miss upon review.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Conder
To: Benjamin Parks
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Website - Heckuva job!

Hello Mr. Parks. Thank you for taking the time out to write and share your thoughts. Even if one doesn't agree with our page it's a good feeling when we get mail like yours since it tells us that we are doing some good, somewhere, somehow. Our main objective is to get people to think for themselves, no matter their conclusions. As We've explained countless times, we don't harbor negative feelings against those who profess Christianity; our objections are with those who seek to enforce their religion on the rest of us.

Touching on the points you make, if you get the time you will find my insight via my research in the following articles: Just How Do We "Put Christ Back into Christmas"; Satan: the Lies, the Myths, the Human Tragedy; How Christianity God its New Testament; Bible Legends, Stick and Stones. This articles can be accessed at this link: http://www.darrellwconder.com/things.html I do cover some of the background on the Gilgamesh Epic in my Genesis Study, as well as the legends that surround the Flood.

Don't worry about your malfunctioning spell-checker as I think all writers heavily depend on this wonderful tool to keep us appearing reasonably educated --- I know I do!

Again, thank you for your insight. I'll pass along you email to the webmaster for inclusion on our Letters page.

Regards,
Darrell

Darrell,

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly.

I am continuing to read various areas on your site. I did scan a few of the debates. I saw one with a certain "Pastor" (a term I hesitate to confer on any but a precious few) who so typcially retreated into one cliche after another in an effort to add your spiritual pelt to his totem pole. I admit to chuckling a bit as you dispensed with this pinhead in a manner he deserved. I'm sure he's convinced he'll be roasting his spiritual weenie on the hellish flames emanating from your carcass in the next life. Moron! On the other hand the agony of the Jewish fellow, who you appear to have dragged kicking and screaming from his spiritual box, was rather sobering. I think he'd do much better mentally if he'd let God our of the neat little box he's got him in.

The "pastor's" arguments reminded me of how I loathe religious fanatics. Let me add here that TCOTU (the creator of the universe) isn't too fond of them either. Those of us who believe that TCOTU (I verbally render it Teh-Coh-Too) donned a cloak of humanity and paid us a visit know that such people made short work of His physical form, speeding Him off to the gravem from whence He had to exercise considerable power to extricate Himself. Now there's no denying that this is quite a tale, but I assure you that if you got yourself killed graveyard dead, got buried and then arose and sailed off into the blue, I'd be found pouring over every word you ever posted online or uttered in another's earshot! Rising from the dead is no mean feat.

I guess your letters page will suffice for now. I hope that our discussions will gain a following and draw commentary as I have been told that, although I cover some familiar territory, my point of view on Christianity is somewhat unique, if only for the absence of the effort to take intellectual and emotional hostages at spiritual gunpoint.

So then, let me continue to absorb your site and become familiar with some of the territory you've been over. Then, hopefully, I'll find some points on which to engage you in a manner that others might find of interest. While I'm not particularly after your spiritual pelt, the spectacle of all that repenting you're threatening to do is just to tempting to pass up . Nah, just kidding. I have far too much respect for mankind's quest for spirituality to think that the traditional sort of "win" has much to do with anything. I think most men would agree that this journey is at least somehow "instructional," if not for some future spiritual experience then just for sake of the journey itself. Why else would we be equipped with such a spiffy information gathering/analyzing tool as our brains? Natural selection? Luck of the draw? I dunno if I can buy that. I'm reminded of the evolution argument wherein the pro creationist declared that for all of this to be an accident would be like setting off an explosion amidst a Print Shop and then expecting to find Encyclopedia Britannica printed on the walls.

To quote Arnie "I'll be back!"

Benjamin

Hi Darrell,

I came across your site as I was looking for more information on James Patrick Holding. I read through your "debate" with him and found it most enlightening, as it confirmed what I had discovered about him as an individual. I emailed him recently and got into quite the exchange with him about his arrogance and lack of humility.

I am a Christian (nobody's perfect!) and had emailed him with that perspective in mind to tell him of my concerns for his tactics and the way in which he was practicing "apologetics." The idea that he humiliates those he disagrees with on his message board is nothing new, but the resultant fall-out from these tactics on other Christians is that it creates a veil for their vitriol. This is problematic for a Christian like me, as I tend to have more liberal leanings than individuals like Mr. Holding and his followers and, more importantly, I appear to value human dignity.

Anyway, my email exchange with Mr. Holding was rather enlightening in that he became incredibly defensive immediately, despite my suggestion that he should be given the opportunity to answer the "common opinion" from others, ie. his arrogance, his personality, etc. Instead, Mr. Holding refused to answer any questions and went on about a "position" that I had. This continued for quite a few emails, back and forth, as I pressed him to get my questions answered. A few highlights include him telling me - somehow this works in his warped mind - that I was being "evasive" yet I hadn't been asked any questions! This perplexing correspondence went on for quite some time, with my position remaining the same and Mr. Holding continuing his course of action to change the plan each time he replied. At one point, Mr. Holding inexplicably tells me that he's "reporting me for spam" to which I reply that nothing in these emails is spam, adding that should he interrupt my Gmail service in any way for any reason, he's interfering with my work (I'm a freelance writer and use email as my lifeblood). Anyway, he eventually backs off from that, then tells me he's "collecting" my replies because it's more fun. Finally, after I tell him that it's obvious I'm not getting anywhere with him, even from one Christian to another, and I tell him that he can have the last word if he wants, he takes the last word. In an inexplicable email that rivals the Gmail spam reporting email in every way, Mr. James Patrick Holding tells me, for no reason whatsoever out of left field, that my film reviews are bad (he's obviously been looking at my review site as listed in my email closer on Gmail). I did not reply.

Searching for accountability on this type of thing is hard within a Christian body that aims to be "right" more than they aim to be compassionate. I am reminded of the idea that those that "hate Christians" have a damn good reason to do so, especially given the attitudes of men like Holding. I'm sharing this with you, then, for either your entertainment or for your insight.

Thank you for your time and happy holidays,

JR

On Dec 13, 2007 3:46 PM, Darrell Conder wrote:

Hello JR, and thank you for taking the time to write. To be honest I had forgotten about JPH, but reading through your experience with him brought back unpleasant memories. In my dealings with the man I finally concluded that he isn't interested in serious discussion, but sensationalism to gain publicity for his "work." I say this because I have known a great many Christians who dearly tried to live by their bibles and were fine examples to everyone who knew them. In no way can JPH be put in this classification, since his tactics are a slap in the face to both NT principles and every sincere Christian.

My conclusion is that JPH is simply in the religion business. For this reason I decided not to pay him any further heed, by which I mean I don't want to legitimize his "ministry" with further exchanges. I agree that men like JPH give religion a black eye. If all people practiced their religion in the privacy of their own homes, and didn't seek to ram their beliefs down the collective throats of mankind, I would gladly spend my efforts on something else. From my perspective, there are far more serious matters to address than debating whose god is better. But alas, Christianity is (as, sadly, it always has been) a religious Babylon that shows every sign of getting worse as the decades wear on.

I would like to think that JPH will eventually burn himself out and disappear from the Net. But then I'm reminded that controversy sells, no matter the product. So perhaps he'll be around a long, long time. All can do is hope he doesn't wind up like Rev. Fred Phelps, although I have to concede that even Phelps must have metamorphosed from something more gentle!

Regards,
Darrell Conder

Thank you for your reply, Darrell.

I agree that Christianity as a generalized whole appears to be headed down a slippery slope, as it always has been. There have been countless bones of contention throughout Christian history, as there have been countless bones of contention throughout human history. We're all human beings and grasping at meaning, purpose, and other elements of this great mystery of life. When one group or group of individuals begins trumpeting their "findings" above and beyond the findings of other groups or individuals, it becomes problematic.

Yet in today's Christianity, there are large groups of progressive Christians and liberal Christians, men like Bishop Spong and Jim Wallis (including his Sojourners organization) that do not rely on dogmatics and simply apply Christianity as a philosophy like any other. I guess my concern with individuals like Mr. Holding, from my perspective, is that it results in many progressive Christians like myself being painted in the same brush from the same point of view. This is not the case and I appreciate sites like yours because they stand for the types of cultural polemics that are necessary. Individuals like yourself have an important role to play in the evolution of our world and of our species, so to finish up, I applaud you for it.

Keep up the good work. I'll be reading.
JR

MAY THE LOVE OF GOD SURROUND US BOTH AND KEEP OUR TONGUES FROM OFFENDING THOSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOVE

----- Original Message -----
From: TW
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:32 AM
Subject: rant and rave

I can certainly understand your ranting and raving concerning the deception you embraced for a good part of your life.At times I am filled with hatred for the christian community with their arrogant and ignorant attitude concerning the "scriptures" they profess to believe in. (My experience is that the majority of Christians have never even read the book which their foundation is based upon).The writings of Saul/Paul are a direct contradiction of "Jesus".Only someone seeking truth will see and acknowledge this when it is presented.Same with the name "Jesus".

"A lie is only believable if it contains a portion of the truth", is a comment my husband regularly makes to describe the scenario that is being played all around us. Our (hubby and my) conclusion is: It is possible that we existed before in spiritual matter and have been born into the flesh for a purpose.The only purpose we have been able to deduct for this maddness called life is the opportunity to expose our hearts, who we truly are, and what we choose to do in these evil circumstances.

If we existed before, it would explain why the Creator chose to have some born into a world of starvation, rape and pain while others are born into a world of trials and tribulations yet without these atrocities.I have never read anything anywhere with this in mind.It is mearely the thoughts of my husband and myself to attempt to answer the question of why is there so much pain to this life? What is the purpose of life? What the heck are we doing here? It would also explain Dejavu and similiar experiences people report happening to them.

For me to question the Creator, why did you let this happen to me?, is equivalent to a child accusing their parent of not loving them because they are about to get an injection that will "save their life". The child lacks knowledge and understanding. That is how I see myself compared to my Creator.

To sum it up, I may not know what Truth is, but I sure know what it ain't!! I still hedge my bet on YHWH as the Creator of Heaven and Earth.Only time will tell.

I imagine you are busy but would appreciate your thoughts on my husband and my theory as to why we were born into the flesh.

Thank you,
TW

----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Conder
To: TW
Cc: Darrell Conder
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: rant and rave

Hello TW. Thank you for taking the time to share your insight. I wouldn't describe my own as ranting and raving, but then perhaps it comes across that way to some. My writings and reflecting attitude are directed towards the continued horrific abuse that religion inflicts on this planet. Even more so since I sincerely feel that it may well bring about ultimate destruction.

Since you seem to understand that the so-called holy bible is fraught with error, and since you seem to be somewhat thinking outside the box (so-to-speak), I am puzzled as to why you would label "the Creator" as "YHWH"? Since the history of ancient Israel proves that he was once a minor Canaanite desert god turned respectable during the Babylonian Captivity, I would think that any label would limit one's perspective and understanding of the true nature of a creative force.

Your and your husband's theory opens many possibilities, and countless persons have researched and theorized about just such a scenario over the millennia. I would agree that it is possible, although if such a creative force placed us in a world like the one we see about us, there may be more sinister implications. In other words, preconditioned with a biblical perspective of love our fellow man, we may be viewing the possibilities of the why of it all through rose-tinted glasses.

I personally feel that we are not on this planet by chance. I feel that there is something after this life. The what, why and when of those feelings I don't voice since they would be pure speculation and subject to change. The bad part about public speculation is that if enough people agree, then one has the beginnings of a religion, which is why the world has so many so-called holy books.

It is possible that each of us must find and live our own truth. What is truth for me may not be truth for you. That may be the key to the whole question of "why?" . . .

Regards,
Darrell

----- Original Message -----
From: D
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: Hi Darrell

Having even more fun reading your site at work today than last time.Just finished the mishmash which gave us Satan.Have you ever read that the physical beginning of the Isaiah 14 tale was the observation of how Venus preceeded the Sun and then fell back to earth not getting to the point of the Most High(noon) etc.Stories are often based in physical and unexplainable, to them, phenomenon.Son of the Morning Star (the sun) seems a give away as Venus.Oh well, Krakatoa must have generated some God talk in it's day..ha.

All our understanding aside....what encourages you spiritually?Do you find any spirituality in quantum physics, consciousness studies etc.....?Or are we hairless apes living in a limited five sensed carbon based wetsuit hoping we are trapped spirits after all?:)

I think you found the correct theological bible based formula finally!

-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Conder
To: D
Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 1:40 pm
Subject: Ain't it the truth!

Emo Philips:

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.

----- Original Message -----
From: JO
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Genesis 1

Dear Mr. Conder

It's obvious from Genesis 1 that God wasn't sure of his acts by the time he created the Earth.

How many times it's stated "And God saw that it was good"?

Regards,
J

----- Original Message -----
From: BP
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Letter to the editor

Hi Darrell. An interesting site. I guess I don't feel compelled to criticize others religious beliefs, though, as a person who has not subscribed to any particular religion since I was perhaps 10 years old, I certainly have been criticized and looked on either in disgust, pity, or anger by people who are fervent in their own religions. I am as amazed at just the existence of what I see of the universe as many seem to be of their own religions. My biggest question is "Why is there anything" and science doesn't answer that and neither does any religion, because for there to be a creation or a Big Bang or anything else, something existed, and to me that is an ultimate mystery.I don't understand why people are either so in fear that they cling to a belief, or so brainwashed that they cannot understand that there should be a variety of beliefs because there are a variety of people with different experiences. I am content to say "I don't know" and be content with thinking about things for my lifetime. I suppose if I "Got religion" and didn't think it was an experience that could be an hallucination, that I might subscribe to one religion or another. And that seems to offend many. I do suppose that in my deepest thoughts I think I am correct in my thoughts and behavior. I will admit to others that I may be all wrong and they may be all right, but that I will continue to have my own thoughts and reservatons. So thank you for your site, you history of parts of some religion, and your food for thought.
BP

----- Original Message -----
From: NW
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Thank you Friend

Hi Guy/s

I have been out of fundamentalist, evangelical christianity for about 6 years now. I still carry a deep affection for erstwhile co-religionists and hope for their gentle enlightenment. Thank you for your webpage and for your researches and thoughts, well expressed also by others. This is great site in that it doesn't go over-the-top trashing mislead people but it IS a wake up call, and for that, very welcome. Thank you for your restraint and kindness. There are a lot of wounded people out here.
NW

----- Original Message -----
From: RK
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Truth

Hi Darrell,

I knew at 4:44 AM July 4th, 2006 that the world had changed.Much of your site is a testament of that Truth.

Satan is a myth because the Church cannot say why we are actually forgiven without losing the power to manipulate the lost.

You might hit my site.Don't let the front door scare you.God has been very active in my life and the effect has been mind un-boggling.

God Bless,
RK(Roage)
http://www.roage.com

----- Original Message -----
From: TC
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: webmaster

Creationism Explained ...... The universe was created by an all-powerful all-knowing being who came down to us in the form of a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father, who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Yup, that seems about right .......

----- Original Message -----
From: S & A
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: webmaster

Darrell,

I have been a reader of yours for some years now, and I guess, a big THANK YOU is long over due! You have freed me and my Sister from all the religious BS that had shackeled us for the first 20+ years of our lives. I bought Might is Right about a year ago and have read and reread it (at least large portions of it) many times....It truely does show the way the world really works and what is required if one wants to acheive power, wealth and prominence......People may not like it, but the book contains many truths(not that I personally condone them) and it does shed light on what type of people are leading us , whether it be in, religions, major corporations or governments.

I see, you now claim to have discovered the real author of Might is Right and you are holding out on us.......Come on.......drop me an e-mail or something.......I just need to know!!!!! Keep up the good work Mr. Conder.....there are many of us out here who appreciate it......even if enough of us aren't telling you! My best to you and yours and kindest regards,
S

----- Original Message -----
From: mastery mistery
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: truth and lies

Hi Darrell, I enjoyed reading the material on your site, thank you. I didn't go through all the material, but I did notice that among the material that I did go through, there was no mention ofthe withering of the fig tree, which is one of my favourite biblical passages as it exposes Jesus as a lunatic with anger management problems.

The gospels of Matthew and Mark include an account of Jesus withering a fig tree. In ( Matthew 21:1822) and Mark ( Mark 11:1214 and Mark 20-24), Jesus and some associates are leaving Bethany when Jesus approaches a fig tree to collect fruit from it. Since it is the wrong season there are no figs. Seeing this, Jesus curses the fig tree to never bear fruit again.

By the way, I've set up a blog called "ATLF: authorised bulletins" and am looking for contributors. The purpose of the blog is to provide a megaphone to people who understand the issues and problems if human culture, and who have solutions they wish to propose.

I'll send you an invite to become a guest poster. I hope you take up the opportunity--I really would love to see some of your ideas up there on the ATLF blog.

Regards
SRS

----- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: your website

Hello, I am S A. I was directed to your website by an acqauintance I know from online. I read that we dont need to believe in Christ or be baptized?You referred to the young man who came to Christ to ask Him what he needed to have eternal life. This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and your idea that belief in Christ and baptism are not necesary but only the ten commandments, show an ignorance of the gospel. Before Christ ascended to Heaven, He commanded the apostles to "Go forth, and baptize all nation in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It seems you want to downplay or trivialize this command of Christ.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Anthony
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Answering SA on his reply Ten Commandments

Answering SA on his reply to Jesus Christ's telling a young man how to get Eternal life keeping the Ten Commandments. But, that Jesus Christ said something different, when He ascended into heaven.

Comments in red,

----- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: your website

Hello,

I am S A. I was directed to your website by an acqauintance I know from online. I read that we dont need to believe in Christ or be baptized? You referred to the young man who came to Christ to ask Him what he needed to have eternal life. This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and your idea that belief in Christ and baptism are not necesary but only the ten commandments, show an ignorance of the gospel.

I thought you knew your bible! Apparently you don't. You mentioned "This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost" I am sure you know enough about the bible? that (John 1:1-3,10, 14, Act 17:24, John 8:58, Colossians 1:16.) says, that Jesus Christ was God and He created everything that exists, which includes the Old and New Testament. and that God gave his Holy Spirit to those people back there and they were saved from their sins, as follows; Psalm 51:11 Hide Your face from my sins; blot out all my iniquities. 12 Fashion a pure heart for me, O God; create in me a steadfast spirit. 13 Do not cast me out of Your presence, or take Your holy spirit away from me. 14 Let me again rejoice in Your help; let a vigorous spirit sustain me. 15 I will teach transgressors Your ways, that sinners may return to You. Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Proverbs 7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Think about this, sinners being forgiven their sin's and returning back to God! and there was no need of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

Before Christ ascended to Heaven, He commanded the apostles to "Go forth, and baptize all nation in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It seems you want to downplay or trivialize this command of Christ..

I had nothing to do with this, the bible is the source of this information, all I had to do, is copy what the bible said. Thank you for pointing out another point that helps prove that Jesus Christ is nothing but a Chronic LIAR.

As Psalm 51:11-15, Ezekiel 18:21-22, proves this to be true!

Seems you failed to see that Jesus Christ Lied About the Ten Commandments. Reread the article and show where He did not LIE about this! Just like He is Lying about the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins. Jesus Christ knew this, He was the God of the Old Testament that commanded these things to be taught, so the Holy Spirit could be given to the people and they would be forgiven their sins!! What a deceiver and a Liar!

If you don't want to go to the LAKE of FIRE, better not follow Jesus Christ, because that is where is has gone! (Revelation 21:8)

----- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: your website

Jesus gave us a number of commandments:to love God with all our heart and mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourself.These laws are what the law and the prophets depend on.Jesus also gave us a commandment to eat His flesh and drink His blood.All these are commandments and there are no glaring contradictions in the New Testament at all.

----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Conder
To: SA
Cc: Darrell Conder
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: your website

Hello Mr. A

We are not trying to "trivialize" anything. To the contrary. The purpose of the article was to show that there is a glaring contradiction in the NT formula for gaining eternal life, which you actually highlight in your observation. In one instance Jesus says that all one need do to gain eternal life is to keep the commandments, and in another we are told to eat his flesh, drink his blood and be baptized. Which is it? Since the OT clearly spells out that one could be and was forgiven of their sins without the "blood of Jesus," then Jesus' first formula for salvation seems correct. Either way, we have a major contradiction in the NT and, most importantly, over a vital point of Christian theology --- the saving of souls!

The problem you should focus on is whether or not the bible as a whole is God's word. You can do this by starting in Genesis 1:1 and work your way forward. I have an article pointing out the problems with Genesis (http://www.darrellwconder.com/otstudy.html) and I invite you to start there and show me where I'm wrong. If you cannot, then you need not worry over Jesus and the NT since the foundation for the whole of the bible will disappear.

Regards,
Darrell Conder

---- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Letter to the editor

It is interesting that you think you can debate one away from something that requires faith. I have met many a person who nobody at all has tried to convince them of God's existence who came to it by some interior conversion. Moreover, God has answered many a prayer and many a miraculous occurance has happened.I wonder what you seek to achieve by convincing people you are right.Do you gain materially or financially?Even if you could convince me that all my beliefs are false from top to bottom, you could offer me nothing more than the least of what my former beliefs gave me.You cannot give me peace of mind.You cannot send my heart burning with love for my fellow man and creation.Nor can your arguments change history.All in all it seems that your entire purpose is a rather hollow one.Will you next try to convince people the world is flat for some inconspicuous gain?

----- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Letter to the editor

I am sorry if you though I was insulting you and your efforts.I was really wondering what the purpose was.You took umbrance at my letter to the editor and said you said you were offended by what I said.It is odd that you took the high road until the end of the letter, in which you truly tried to offend me.Your site implited that many christians had been debated away from the faith.That would not be difficult to debate anyone who has shallow faith and a lack of understanding of the Truth to fall away.I pray for you and all those who share your opinion.This is a free country and I respect your right to not believe in God, why then are you so eager to dismantle anyone's belief in God?

----- Original Message -----

From: Darrell Conder
To: SA
Subject: Fw: your website
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 4:25 pm

" . . . there are no glaring contradictions in the New Testament at all."

I see! Well, then you have a wonderful opportunity here to read through www.darrellwconder.com and show all the thousands of former Christians how wrong they were in abandoning the bible! Single-handedly perhaps you can lead them back to the ninety and nine, as the old Protestant hymn proclaimed!

DWC

----- Original Message -----
From: SA
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Letter to the editor

years of "research" have also yielded fruit that indicates that the world is flat too.If you believe Jesus is a dead fraud and think that should not be offensive to me, then you dont understand what you are against

----- Original Message -----

From: Darrell Conder
To: SA
Subject: Re: answer
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 5:39 pm

SA,

having lived for five + decades, I understand that Christians don't seem to understand how offensive their rhetoric can be to the "unbeliever." Having debated countless Christians who declared from the outset that they could show me my errors only to retreat behind the "faith" argument and insults, I no longer feel constrained to beat around the bush, so-to-speak. I do not restrict anyone from speaking their mind and will even tolerate insulting composition as long as the correspondent doesn't cry "foul" when I return kind for kind.

You see, I really do believe that Jesus is a dead fraud. That's not meant as an insult to anyone, but it's my belief based on years of research. I invite one and all to show me where I'm wrong, and I am sincere when I say that if anyone can prove me wrong, I will publicly repent and preach Jesus as Lord for the remainder of my days. To date I have received a lot of "faith" nonsense, which one may apply to any religion on earth, but no answers to the contradictions and/or fallacies of the bible.

You ask why I am "eager to dismantle" one's belief in God? I would ask you if you can really fathom the extent of misery, death and destruction wrought in the name of God? I have seen it, first hand. My web site is full of personal examples that I have witnessed, as well as more horrific examples from history. Since I am a former Christian, I know it's incomprehensible for the "believer" that one can live a life of concern for their fellow man without Jesus, or any other of the world's savior gods. A good person will be a good person in any religion, or even in the absence of religion. The same formula is true of a bad person. Christianity has no monopoly on goodness.

If I misjudged your intentions, my apologies. But I still would suggest that you do your homework before strenuously defending anything. That's a good rule in all walks of life, or at least that's my bitter-learned lesson!

Regards,
DWC

-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Conder
To: Lawrence Anthony
Cc: Linda Packer
Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 6:01 pm
Subject: answer

In other words Scott, you cannot prove what you preach, but nonetheless degrade those of us who have, as the I Thessalonians 5:21 commands all Christians, sought to prove all things and to hold fast that which is provable. Being miserably defective at following this command, you insult all true intelligence with the old "faith" canard. Further, you insult every non-Christian who has lived a selfless life by intimating that somehow good works is the trademark of Christianity, or indeed religion. I would suggest you read my article "For the Love of God!" for some few examples of Christian "love" in human history.

No one at www.darrellwconder.com receives any remuneration for their efforts on the site. All have independent incomes. The same cannot be said of the multi-billion-dollar God-Jesus business! You see, your faith, your god and your salvation has a big $$$ price tag attached! Put another way Scott, your god doesn't come cheap!Why do I put forth the effort to teach what I have learned? It's because I once preached the fraud that you apparently embrace without having bothered to fulfill your god's command to prove it. I am one of those rare birds that will admit when I am wrong, and will seek to right the situation. In case that explanation leaves you scratching your head, it's called honesty, which is a concept utterly lacking in both your bible and your religion.

And by the way, it's odd that you try insulting me with the flat earth example. Apparently you are ignorant of the fact that this teaching is found in your "infallible" word of God . . . and that there was a time when denying it as God-revealed truth would get one burned at a Christian stake!

My friend I suggest you do your homework before you seek to "educate" others about your deified dead fraud --- your god on a stick!

Regards,
DWC

----- Original Message -----
From: M R
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Can you answer a question?

Darrell, I have been reading a number of your writings posted on your site and even printing them out and letting my wife read them...Anyhow I was reading the "For The Love Of God" article and it mentions anal rape in the case of Noah and one of his sons. I can't figure out how you came to this conclusion and would like you to explain it if you wouldn't mind. I am not disputing you, I am just curious how you came to the conclusion as one other writer I have read said that homosexuality was participated in at that time too.

Anyhow, disregard my email address [removed for privacy] as being "born again" like the "Christian" sense. It is a play on words for restoring cars! HAA...Not that I am lily white when it comes to my beliefs. But I am a CURIOUS searcher and your writings are definitely intriguing. So far I can't say I am in a major disagreement!

M R—stuck here on Earth with a bunch of nut cases....

----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Conder
To: M R
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Can you answer a question?

Hello M R, and thank you for your interest. It's been a looooooooong time since I wrote the study on Noah (back in the mid-90s), which was published in my book Mystery Babylon. The short answer is that the Hebrew legend of Noah is mirrored in pre-Tanakh legends in which he is cast as a god. In these legends "Noah" the god was deposed by a younger son who castrated his father either literally, or symbolically by homosexually raping him. This same symbolism was also featured in numerous ancient Near East tales, and indeed a variation of this surfaces in the tale of King David and Absolom, who usurped his father's power by publicly raping his wives. I cover some of these details in my Things You've Never Heard In Church: Where Christianity Really Got Its Old Testament, which is posted on the webpage at: www.darrellwconder.com/otstudy.html

Hopefully this gives you some missing pieces to the puzzle and helps answer your question. Again, thank you for the interest --- it's always good to see people thinking for themselves, no matter the end conclusion.

Regards,
Darrell Conder

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