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Mr. Conder, I have known of you since 2005, and always had you in the back of my mind. I disagree much with you're seeming lack of understanding of Semitic culture (and particularly think you're Jehovah Comes Out of the Closet article to be excessive). Nonetheless, there are still troubles I have with the Bible.
Do you know of Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed? It is basically about Judaism and Zionism, and on the beginning chapters it talks about the documentary hypothesis for the origin of the Old Testament/Tanak, and stipulates that Ezekiel was the real inspiration the Torah (and it is this mad epileptic who seems to indulge with most relish in the sort of brutality which distinguishes that collection of books, a curious fact which even Holding/Turkel, who I respected much, seemed to have been unable to explain in his writings). Reed claims that this attitude (which we can for practical purposes call Jehovah, in a Jungian sense of representing the collective Jewish psyche) betrayed it's inventers, but was then adopted by another, more vital, group of Turkish nomads called Khazars, who would become the ancestors of today's Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian Ashkenazim (who would refine what was invented by the Semites into something even more vile, which is none-other than Capitalism and Zionism).
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/bengur-bible.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/baruch-plan.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/wells-lenin-league.html
I am curious, with your debate with Ben Lewi, you mentioned the Bolsheviks as being Jews bent on killing Christians. Now I have these pages which seems to deal with this Jewish character of Bolshevism (it looks like Communism, from Engles onward was a form of Frankism).
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/zioncom.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/lenin-trotsky.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/nedava.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/trotsky.html
users.cyberone.com.au/myers/sex-soviet.html
theawarenesscenter.org/jacobfrank.html
This now brings us to Marx himself. First, you may be interested in a poem written by the man in his college years called Oulanem , which is basically his antagonism with God and such, this seems to corolate with his father's wishes that he pursue business over academia, this reasoning is laid out and laborated in Part II of On the Jewish Question, here is what he claims the core of Judaism and it's god is in actuality Earthly power, and apparently claims that the capitalism is simply Judaism refitted for a modern, technological world (with Capital being God, and the Bankers his Levitical priesthood). Since we have seen that Communism is most probably a Frankist sect created by Engles (and if you look closer, you will see that Marx's ideas are often contradicted and superseded by what amounts to Engle's propositions) this means that Marx was apparently an Apostate who was bamboozled back into the fold by a heretical sect wanting his talents to promote their ideas (note how Communist Manifesto protects central banking, which Marx consistently denounces everywhere else).
Some interesting facts here (apparently, Marx was dirt poor and had to rely on Engles, who also seems to have introduced Marx to Masonry and the proto-Zionist Moses Hess, who Bakunin blames squarly for Marx's decision to oust him from the IWA)
May I also suggest to you EricHufschmid.net? This is a very good site, please spend some time here, his philosophy on life (as well as his incredible revelations) may be very well worth while.
erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-29Dec2007.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/list-of-neocons-for-Iraq-war.htm
erichufschmid.net/HistoryOfIsraelAndTheUSA.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/Rothschild-timeline-revised-excerpt.html
erichufschmid.net/Axis_of_Perverts3.html
erichufschmid.net/HoloHoax/Holocaust-Deniers.html
erichufschmid.net/TFC/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm
erichufschmid.net/Infiltrate/InfiltrationOrIncompetence.html
erichufschmid.net/WhatToDoWithTheUSA.html
erichufschmid.net/Social_Tech/Social-Tech-Part-3.html
erichufschmid.net/Social_Tech/Social-Tech-Part-2.html
erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/Dumbed-down-Part-1.html
erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/Dumbed-down-Part-4.html
Thank you much, though I still disagree with some of your conclusions, you are at least driven by a desire for truth.
Thanks Fellow Traveler,
IdeoNaut
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From: IdeoNaut
Sent: Wed 2/20/08 10:34 PM
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
I want to add to your readers that something is wrong, all the links to Eric's site on your rants page are not working, likely a problem with youre web-space provider. I just want to let everyone know that Eric's site does work, just type the addresses directly or navigate his site and all of you should do fine [Note from webmaster: thanks for bringing the link problem to our attention. The links are working correctly now.] (BTW: This is a new article of his which I think is really important, and should help us recognize that Zionists/Jews/Khazars/whatever are not monsters, but just sick like the rest of us and largely being abused by their more aggressive or crafty fellows:
erichufschmid.net/Zionist-Bullies.html
We have to start acknowleging our handy-caps and do something about them and stop sweeping all under the rug!).
I also want to present the part of Reed's Controvercy of Zion which mentions Ezekiel as the true founder of Judaism and it's subsequent religions (who is attributed with the "D" texts, the "P" or Levitical texts being later refinements of this). BTW: The whole beginning chapters make for very fascinating reading
gnosticliberationfront.com/controversy_of_zion.htm#people%20wept
I also have the two texts writen by Marx. Oulanem (a grizzly poem written by Marx during struggles with his father over career, it is here where we can guess that Marx, who was raised Catholic by crypto-Jews, felt increadable betrayal and whent through a nervous breakdown as a result, this is his sad cries of hurt)
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1837-pre/verse/verse21.htm
On the Jewish Question (This is in two parts, part one describing Marx's general views of religion, basically stating that Religion is simply a mnemonic device for helping people grasp abstract concepts, and that we should discard the mytho logical trappings for the underlying knowlege and philosophy promoted by such, part two is much more specific, where Marx describes Capitalism as no less than secular Judaism, in this context, the rest of his work takes on an intersting mission, a mission against what seems to be the heart of Ezekiel's Frankenstein monster of Mesopotamian egoisms, indeed, capital is like a Golem, a being eminating out of the priesthood to shield the world's real, physical economy, from the Proleterian Goyim, thus liberation first through the destruction of capital fetishism/wage slavery, and the the abolishion of commodity fetishism through collective ownership of such and planned industry).
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/index.htm
I just wanted to clarify some things for your'e readers, we are likely on the verge of an increadible new era where all the mistakes of the past (particularly the chaff of the 20th century) will be discarded, leaving thebest of every ideology. It can only happen if we are mature anough to ban together to create the Kingdom of Heaven for ourselves and eachother (and not rely on some fantastical, alien entity to do it for us, whether it be imaginary gods, politicians, professionals, and those lurking in the shadows stacking the cards like archons to keep us corrupt and dependant).
Thanks much, Darrell
IdeoNaut
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From: L
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: (no subject)
All of mankind has had gods of one sort or another. Yes even Communism is a religion and it has destroyed more people than any other ideology. People of faith know these two truths: The JUST shall live by faith and The kingdom of God is not food or drink but righteousness and peace in the Holy Spirit. This then is what should be known: it is not the truth that is at fault but the selfish men and women who have no idea of what true holiness is. God' kingdom is eternal, all encompassing and most profound. He requires nothing more than to "love mercy and do justice" Those who need proof only have to look around and see that everything that pertains to life has been provided us. It is for us to love without question and shine as the brightest sun. Everything else is waste.
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From: Benjamin Parks
To: darrellwconder@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:52 AM
Subject: Website - Heckuva job!
Mr. Conder,
I can't recall how I stumbled upon your website but I'm glad I did. I found a compendeum of articles, questions and criticisms of religion in general and specifically Christianity that contained the majority of issues that have long driven intelligent people away from our (American's) primary native faith, religiouis beliefs and all having to do with the concept of god. I recongize these ideas as ones I shared at one time. However, I have, since returning to Christianity at age 30 (I'm 59), not found that any of these notions could stand up against proper (in my opinion) study of the faith and I therefore remain a plain old garden variety Christian.
Why? You may ask. Whose kool aid did I drink?
My initial journey was not so atypical; I was born into an Episcopalian (Mom's side) Methodiest (Dad's side) family, was a confirmed (at 13) Episcopalian who ran off after some of the many forms of spirituality that lured away many in my Baby Boomer cohort, just as soon as we were able to shake free of our parent's orbit. After doing a lot of drugging and partying, spending nearly 7 years in a Marin County commune I decided to reexamine the Christian faith, with a very critical eye, at age 30.
I went and experienced the pogo stick exhuberance of The Foursquare Church in the late 70's, something which allowed me to witness firsthand the birth of what was soon to be known as "the religious right." Thankfully seeing through that nonsense and going on to study under the eccentric but very scholarly Gene Scott, from whom I learned the art of honest research, and finally declared myself a free spiritual agent - though still Christian - some 17 years ago.
I'm the last person to be found defending the Roman Church, though Constantine's an even more interesting character than even you know. I tend to follow the activities of the follower's of the originator of the faith as they travelled into The Rhone River Valley and Britain, granting to Rome the Headlines but not the core of the faith.
At any rate, I'd love to engage you in a discussion with regard to many things that you've researched and written about, having a slightly different take on some, agreeing on others:
For example I'd surely stipulate that the story of the Mother and the Child God emanates from Tammuz and his Mother Semiramis, who found herself inconveniently pregnant after her husband Nimrod got whacked, probably by Noah's Son Shem. It seems that Nimrod's Father (or Grandfather Ham (Shem's brother), some uncertainty here) swiped Noah's garment - said to be fashioned by The Almighty HImself - which gave him power over animals. You'll recall that Nimrod was declared to be "a mighty hunter before the Lord," some translators rendering the word "before" to say "against," which would make more sense. So then Shem, who was by the way, a teacher of Abram (Abraham) had been searching for him for years.
In The Gilgamesh Epoch it is told that Shem slew NImrod, cut his body in many pieces which he sent to the four corners of the Earth. Rather unfriendly of him, wouldn't you say? Anyway, it would seem that his Wife was a bit of a slut who found herself "with child" after her hubby's demise so she, taking advantage of Nimrod's godlike status, declared that Nimrod returned to his origin, The Sun, and impregnated her by means of a sunbeam.
Ha, and you thought Mary's tale was outlandish!
Thus she and Tammuz became the root of those who would bare other names (she, Isis, Diana, etc) in other cultures. On that we agree. However, I believe that this was a counterfit inspired by Lucifer, who knew by virtue of his antiquity and knowledge of spiritual laws, that a god/man hybrid was part of The Almighty's plan to reconcile fallen mankind to Himself. Lucifer and certain men believed this all had to do with bloodlines and future Earthly power but they were incorrect. Why they were incorrect touches the heart of the true Christian faith.
So then, are you interested in further discussions? I have yet to read your other debates but I'll bet they're rip roaring affairs! I shall do so (read them) soon.
You may print this in full or in part, if you so choose. Additionally I have no objection to the posting of my e-mail address and name, Benjamin (a fine judeo/christian name, eh?). My initials are BP.
Look forward to hearing from you. Benjamin
PS. My spell checker is broken, so forgive the errors, some of which I'll surely miss upon review.
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Hello Mr. Parks. Thank you for taking the time out to write and share your thoughts. Even if one doesn't agree with our page it's a good feeling when we get mail like yours since it tells us that we are doing some good, somewhere, somehow. Our main objective is to get people to think for themselves, no matter their conclusions. As We've explained countless times, we don't harbor negative feelings against those who profess Christianity; our objections are with those who seek to enforce their religion on the rest of us.
Touching on the points you make, if you get the time you will find my insight via my research in the following articles: Just How Do We "Put Christ Back into Christmas"; Satan: the Lies, the Myths, the Human Tragedy; How Christianity God its New Testament; Bible Legends, Stick and Stones. This articles can be accessed at this link: http://www.darrellwconder.com/things.html I do cover some of the background on the Gilgamesh Epic in my Genesis Study, as well as the legends that surround the Flood.
Don't worry about your malfunctioning spell-checker as I think all writers heavily depend on this wonderful tool to keep us appearing reasonably educated --- I know I do!
Again, thank you for your insight. I'll pass along you email to the webmaster for inclusion on our Letters page.
Regards,
From: Darrell Conder
To: Benjamin Parks
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Website - Heckuva job!
Darrell
Darrell,
Thanks for getting back to me so promptly.
I am continuing to read various areas on your site. I did scan a few of the debates. I saw one with a certain "Pastor" (a term I hesitate to confer on any but a precious few) who so typcially retreated into one cliche after another in an effort to add your spiritual pelt to his totem pole. I admit to chuckling a bit as you dispensed with this pinhead in a manner he deserved. I'm sure he's convinced he'll be roasting his spiritual weenie on the hellish flames emanating from your carcass in the next life. Moron! On the other hand the agony of the Jewish fellow, who you appear to have dragged kicking and screaming from his spiritual box, was rather sobering. I think he'd do much better mentally if he'd let God our of the neat little box he's got him in.
The "pastor's" arguments reminded me of how I loathe religious fanatics. Let me add here that TCOTU (the creator of the universe) isn't too fond of them either. Those of us who believe that TCOTU (I verbally render it Teh-Coh-Too) donned a cloak of humanity and paid us a visit know that such people made short work of His physical form, speeding Him off to the gravem from whence He had to exercise considerable power to extricate Himself. Now there's no denying that this is quite a tale, but I assure you that if you got yourself killed graveyard dead, got buried and then arose and sailed off into the blue, I'd be found pouring over every word you ever posted online or uttered in another's earshot! Rising from the dead is no mean feat.
I guess your letters page will suffice for now. I hope that our discussions will gain a following and draw commentary as I have been told that, although I cover some familiar territory, my point of view on Christianity is somewhat unique, if only for the absence of the effort to take intellectual and emotional hostages at spiritual gunpoint.
So then, let me continue to absorb your site and become familiar with some of the territory you've been over. Then, hopefully, I'll find some points on which to engage you in a manner that others might find of interest. While I'm not particularly after your spiritual pelt, the spectacle of all that repenting you're threatening to do is just to tempting to pass up To quote Arnie "I'll be back!"
Benjamin
Hi Darrell,
I came across your site as I was looking for more information on James Patrick Holding. I read through your "debate" with him and found it most enlightening, as it confirmed what I had discovered about him as an individual. I emailed him recently and got into quite the exchange with him about his arrogance and lack of humility.
I am a Christian (nobody's perfect!) and had emailed him with that perspective in mind to tell him of my concerns for his tactics and the way in which he was practicing "apologetics." The idea that he humiliates those he disagrees with on his message board is nothing new, but the resultant fall-out from these tactics on other Christians is that it creates a veil for their vitriol. This is problematic for a Christian like me, as I tend to have more liberal leanings than individuals like Mr. Holding and his followers and, more importantly, I appear to value human dignity.
Anyway, my email exchange with Mr. Holding was rather enlightening in that he became incredibly defensive immediately, despite my suggestion that he should be given the opportunity to answer the "common opinion" from others, ie. his arrogance, his personality, etc. Instead, Mr. Holding refused to answer any questions and went on about a "position" that I had. This continued for quite a few emails, back and forth, as I pressed him to get my questions answered. A few highlights include him telling me - somehow this works in his warped mind - that I was being "evasive" yet I hadn't been asked any questions! This perplexing correspondence went on for quite some time, with my position remaining the same and Mr. Holding continuing his course of action to change the plan each time he replied. At one point, Mr. Holding inexplicably tells me that he's "reporting me for spam" to which I reply that nothing in these emails is spam, adding that should he interrupt my Gmail service in any way for any reason, he's interfering with my work (I'm a freelance writer and use email as my lifeblood). Anyway, he eventually backs off from that, then tells me he's "collecting" my replies because it's more fun. Finally, after I tell him that it's obvious I'm not getting anywhere with him, even from one Christian to another, and I tell him that he can have the last word if he wants, he takes the last word. In an inexplicable email that rivals the Gmail spam reporting email in every way, Mr. James Patrick Holding tells me, for no reason whatsoever out of left field, that my film reviews are bad (he's obviously been looking at my review site as listed in my email closer on Gmail). I did not reply.
Searching for accountability on this type of thing is hard within a Christian body that aims to be "right" more than they aim to be compassionate. I am reminded of the idea that those that "hate Christians" have a damn good reason to do so, especially given the attitudes of men like Holding. I'm sharing this with you, then, for either your entertainment or for your insight.
Thank you for your time and happy holidays,
JR
On Dec 13, 2007 3:46 PM, Darrell Conder wrote:
Hello JR, and thank you for taking the time to write. To be honest I had forgotten about JPH, but reading through your experience with him brought back unpleasant memories. In my dealings with the man I finally concluded that he isn't interested in serious discussion, but sensationalism to gain publicity for his "work." I say this because I have known a great many Christians who dearly tried to live by their bibles and were fine examples to everyone who knew them. In no way can JPH be put in this classification, since his tactics are a slap in the face to both NT principles and every sincere Christian.
My conclusion is that JPH is simply in the religion business. For this reason I decided not to pay him any further heed, by which I mean I don't want to legitimize his "ministry" with further exchanges. I agree that men like JPH give religion a black eye. If all people practiced their religion in the privacy of their own homes, and didn't seek to ram their beliefs down the collective throats of mankind, I would gladly spend my efforts on something else. From my perspective, there are far more serious matters to address than debating whose god is better. But alas, Christianity is (as, sadly, it always has been) a religious Babylon that shows every sign of getting worse as the decades wear on.
I would like to think that JPH will eventually burn himself out and disappear from the Net. But then I'm reminded that controversy sells, no matter the product. So perhaps he'll be around a long, long time. All can do is hope he doesn't wind up like Rev. Fred Phelps, although I have to concede that even Phelps must have metamorphosed from something more gentle!
Regards,
Thank you for your reply, Darrell.
I agree that Christianity as a generalized whole appears to be headed down a slippery slope, as it always has been. There have been countless bones of contention throughout Christian history, as there have been countless bones of contention throughout human history. We're all human beings and grasping at meaning, purpose, and other elements of this great mystery of life. When one group or group of individuals begins trumpeting their "findings" above and beyond the findings of other groups or individuals, it becomes problematic.
Yet in today's Christianity, there are large groups of progressive Christians and liberal Christians, men like Bishop Spong and Jim Wallis (including his Sojourners organization) that do not rely on dogmatics and simply apply Christianity as a philosophy like any other. I guess my concern with individuals like Mr. Holding, from my perspective, is that it results in many progressive Christians like myself being painted in the same brush from the same point of view. This is not the case and I appreciate sites like yours because they stand for the types of cultural polemics that are necessary. Individuals like yourself have an important role to play in the evolution of our world and of our species, so to finish up, I applaud you for it.
Keep up the good work. I'll be reading.
MAY THE LOVE OF GOD SURROUND US BOTH AND KEEP OUR TONGUES FROM OFFENDING THOSE WE ARE TRYING TO LOVE
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I can certainly understand your ranting and raving concerning the deception you embraced for a good part of your life.At times I am filled with hatred for the christian community with their arrogant and ignorant attitude concerning the "scriptures" they profess to believe in. (My experience is that the majority of Christians have never even read the book which their foundation is based upon).The writings of Saul/Paul are a direct contradiction of "Jesus".Only someone seeking truth will see and acknowledge this when it is presented.Same with the name "Jesus".
"A lie is only believable if it contains a portion of the truth", is a comment my husband regularly makes to describe the scenario that is being played all around us. Our (hubby and my) conclusion is: It is possible that we existed before in spiritual matter and have been born into the flesh for a purpose.The only purpose we have been able to deduct for this maddness called life is the opportunity to expose our hearts, who we truly are, and what we choose to do in these evil circumstances.
If we existed before, it would explain why the Creator chose to have some born into a world of starvation, rape and pain while others are born into a world of trials and tribulations yet without these atrocities.I have never read anything anywhere with this in mind.It is mearely the thoughts of my husband and myself to attempt to answer the question of why is there so much pain to this life? What is the purpose of life? What the heck are we doing here? It would also explain Dejavu and similiar experiences people report happening to them.
For me to question the Creator, why did you let this happen to me?, is equivalent to a child accusing their parent of not loving them because they are about to get an injection that will "save their life". The child lacks knowledge and understanding. That is how I see myself compared to my Creator.
To sum it up, I may not know what Truth is, but I sure know what it ain't!! I still hedge my bet on YHWH as the Creator of Heaven and Earth.Only time will tell.
I imagine you are busy but would appreciate your thoughts on my husband and my theory as to why we were born into the flesh.
Thank you,
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Hello TW. Thank you for taking the time to share your insight. I wouldn't describe my own as ranting and raving, but then perhaps it comes across that way to some. My writings and reflecting attitude are directed towards the continued horrific abuse that religion inflicts on this planet. Even more so since I sincerely feel that it may well bring about ultimate destruction.
Since you seem to understand that the so-called holy bible is fraught with error, and since you seem to be somewhat thinking outside the box (so-to-speak), I am puzzled as to why you would label "the Creator" as "YHWH"? Since the history of ancient Israel proves that he was once a minor Canaanite desert god turned respectable during the Babylonian Captivity, I would think that any label would limit one's perspective and understanding of the true nature of a creative force.
Your and your husband's theory opens many possibilities, and countless persons have researched and theorized about just such a scenario over the millennia. I would agree that it is possible, although if such a creative force placed us in a world like the one we see about us, there may be more sinister implications. In other words, preconditioned with a biblical perspective of love our fellow man, we may be viewing the possibilities of the why of it all through rose-tinted glasses.
I personally feel that we are not on this planet by chance. I feel that there is something after this life. The what, why and when of those feelings I don't voice since they would be pure speculation and subject to change. The bad part about public speculation is that if enough people agree, then one has the beginnings of a religion, which is why the world has so many so-called holy books.
It is possible that each of us must find and live our own truth. What is truth for me may not be truth for you. That may be the key to the whole question of "why?" . . .
Regards,
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Having even more fun reading your site at work today than last time.Just finished the mishmash which gave us Satan.Have you ever read that the physical beginning of the Isaiah 14 tale was the observation of how Venus preceeded the Sun and then fell back to earth not getting to the point of the Most High(noon) etc.Stories are often based in physical and unexplainable, to them, phenomenon.Son of the Morning Star (the sun) seems a give away as Venus.Oh well, Krakatoa must have generated some God talk in it's day..ha.
All our understanding aside....what encourages you spiritually?Do you find any spirituality in quantum physics, consciousness studies etc.....?Or are we hairless apes living in a limited five sensed carbon based wetsuit hoping we are trapped spirits after all?:)
I think you found the correct theological bible based formula finally!
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Emo Philips:
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me. ----- Original Message -----
Dear Mr. Conder
It's obvious from Genesis 1 that God wasn't sure of his acts by the time
he created the Earth.
How many times it's stated "And God saw that it was good"?
Regards,
----- Original Message -----
Hi Darrell. An interesting site. I guess I don't feel compelled to
criticize others religious beliefs, though, as a person who has not
subscribed to any particular religion since I was perhaps 10 years
old, I certainly have been criticized and looked on either in
disgust, pity, or anger by people who are fervent in their own
religions. I am as amazed at just the existence of what I see of the
universe as many seem to be of their own religions. My biggest
question is "Why is there anything" and science doesn't answer that
and neither does any religion, because for there to be a creation or
a Big Bang or anything else, something existed, and to me that is an
ultimate mystery.I don't understand why people are either so in
fear that they cling to a belief, or so brainwashed that they cannot
understand that there should be a variety of beliefs because there
are a variety of people with different experiences. I am content to
say "I don't know" and be content with thinking about things for my
lifetime. I suppose if I "Got religion" and didn't think it was an
experience that could be an hallucination, that I might subscribe to
one religion or another. And that seems to offend many. I do
suppose that in my deepest thoughts I think I am correct in my
thoughts and behavior. I will admit to others that I may be all
wrong and they may be all right, but that I will continue to have my
own thoughts and reservatons. So thank you for your site, you
history of parts of some religion, and your food for thought.
----- Original Message -----
Hi Guy/s
I have been out of fundamentalist, evangelical christianity for about 6
years now. I still carry a deep affection for erstwhile co-religionists
and hope for their gentle enlightenment. Thank you for your webpage and
for your researches and thoughts, well expressed also by others. This is
great site in that it doesn't go over-the-top trashing mislead people
but it IS a wake up call, and for that, very welcome. Thank you for your
restraint and kindness. There are a lot of wounded people out here.
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Hi Darrell,
I knew at 4:44 AM July 4th, 2006 that the world had changed.Much of your
site is a testament of that Truth.
Satan is a myth because the Church cannot say why we are actually forgiven
without losing the power to manipulate the lost.
You might hit my site.Don't let the front door scare you.God has been
very active in my life and the effect has been mind un-boggling.
God Bless,
----- Original Message -----
Creationism Explained ......
The universe was created by an all-powerful all-knowing being who came
down to us in the form of a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father,
who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and
telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove
an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a
rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yup, that seems about right .......
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Darrell,
I have been a reader of yours for some years now, and I guess, a big THANK
YOU is long over due! You have freed me and my Sister from all the religious
BS that had shackeled us for the first 20+ years of our lives.
I bought Might is Right about a year ago and have read and reread it (at
least large portions of it) many times....It truely does show the way the
world really works and what is required if one wants to acheive power,
wealth and prominence......People may not like it, but the book contains
many truths(not that I personally condone them) and it does shed light on
what type of people are leading us , whether it be in, religions, major
corporations or governments.
I see, you now claim to have discovered the real author of Might is Right
and you are holding out on us.......Come on.......drop me an e-mail or
something.......I just need to know!!!!!
Keep up the good work Mr. Conder.....there are many of us out here who
appreciate it......even if enough of us aren't telling you! My best to you
and yours and kindest regards,
----- Original Message -----
Hi Darrell, I enjoyed reading the material on your site, thank you. I didn't go through all the material, but I did notice that among the material that I did go through, there was no mention ofthe withering of the fig tree, which is one of my favourite biblical passages as it exposes Jesus as a lunatic with anger management problems.
The gospels of Matthew and Mark include an account of Jesus withering a fig tree. In ( Matthew 21:18–22) and Mark ( Mark 11:12–14 and Mark 20-24), Jesus and some associates are leaving Bethany when Jesus approaches a fig tree to collect fruit from it. Since it is the wrong season there are no figs. Seeing this, Jesus curses the fig tree to never bear fruit again.
By the way, I've set up a blog called "ATLF: authorised bulletins" and am looking for contributors. The purpose of the blog is to provide a megaphone to people who understand the issues and problems if human culture, and who have solutions they wish to propose.
I'll send you an invite to become a guest poster. I hope you take up the opportunity--I really would love to see some of your ideas up there on the ATLF blog.
Regards
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Hello,
I am S A. I was directed to your website by an acqauintance I know from online. I read that we dont need to believe in Christ or be baptized?You referred to the young man who came to Christ to ask Him what he needed to have eternal life. This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and your idea that belief in Christ and baptism are not necesary but only the ten commandments, show an ignorance of the gospel. Before Christ ascended to Heaven, He commanded the apostles to "Go forth, and baptize all nation in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It seems you want to downplay or trivialize this command of Christ.
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Answering SA on his reply to Jesus Christ's telling a young man how to get Eternal life keeping the Ten Commandments. But, that Jesus Christ said something different, when He ascended into heaven.
Comments in red,
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Jesus gave us a number of commandments:to love God with all our heart and mind and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourself.These laws are what the law and the prophets depend on.Jesus also gave us a commandment to eat His flesh and drink His blood.All these are commandments and there are no glaring contradictions in the New Testament at all.
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Hello Mr. A
We are not trying to "trivialize" anything. To the contrary. The purpose of the article was to show that there is a glaring contradiction in the NT formula for gaining eternal life, which you actually highlight in your observation. In one instance Jesus says that all one need do to gain eternal life is to keep the commandments, and in another we are told to eat his flesh, drink his blood and be baptized. Which is it? Since the OT clearly spells out that one could be and was forgiven of their sins without the "blood of Jesus," then Jesus' first formula for salvation seems correct. Either way, we have a major contradiction in the NT and, most importantly, over a vital point of Christian theology --- the saving of souls!
The problem you should focus on is whether or not the bible as a whole is God's word. You can do this by starting in Genesis 1:1 and work your way forward. I have an article pointing out the problems with Genesis (http://www.darrellwconder.com/otstudy.html) and I invite you to start there and show me where I'm wrong. If you cannot, then you need not worry over Jesus and the NT since the foundation for the whole of the bible will disappear.
Regards,
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It is interesting that you think you can debate one away from something that requires faith. I have met many a person who nobody at all has tried to convince them of God's existence who came to it by some interior conversion. Moreover, God has answered many a prayer and many a miraculous occurance has happened.I wonder what you seek to achieve by convincing people you are right.Do you gain materially or financially?Even if you could convince me that all my beliefs are false from top to bottom, you could offer me nothing more than the least of what my former beliefs gave me.You cannot give me peace of mind.You cannot send my heart burning with love for my fellow man and creation.Nor can your arguments change history.All in all it seems that your entire purpose is a rather hollow one.Will you next try to convince people the world is flat for some inconspicuous gain?
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I am sorry if you though I was insulting you and your efforts.I was really wondering what the purpose was.You took umbrance at my letter to the editor and said you said you were offended by what I said.It is odd that you took the high road until the end of the letter, in which you truly tried to offend me.Your site implited that many christians had been debated away from the faith.That would not be difficult to debate anyone who has shallow faith and a lack of understanding of the Truth to fall away.I pray for you and all those who share your opinion.This is a free country and I respect your right to not believe in God, why then are you so eager to dismantle anyone's belief in God?
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From: Darrell Conder
" . . . there are no glaring contradictions in the New Testament at all."
I see! Well, then you have a wonderful opportunity here to read through www.darrellwconder.com and show all the thousands of former Christians how wrong they were in abandoning the bible! Single-handedly perhaps you can lead them back to the ninety and nine, as the old Protestant hymn proclaimed!
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years of "research" have also yielded fruit that indicates that the world is flat too.If you believe Jesus is a dead fraud and think that should not be offensive to me, then you dont understand what you are against
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From: Darrell Conder
SA,
having lived for five + decades, I understand that Christians don't seem to understand how offensive their rhetoric can be to the "unbeliever." Having debated countless Christians who declared from the outset that they could show me my errors only to retreat behind the "faith" argument and insults, I no longer feel constrained to beat around the bush, so-to-speak. I do not restrict anyone from speaking their mind and will even tolerate insulting composition as long as the correspondent doesn't cry "foul" when I return kind for kind.
You see, I really do believe that Jesus is a dead fraud. That's not meant as an insult to anyone, but it's my belief based on years of research. I invite one and all to show me where I'm wrong, and I am sincere when I say that if anyone can prove me wrong, I will publicly repent and preach Jesus as Lord for the remainder of my days. To date I have received a lot of "faith" nonsense, which one may apply to any religion on earth, but no answers to the contradictions and/or fallacies of the bible.
You ask why I am "eager to dismantle" one's belief in God? I would ask you if you can really fathom the extent of misery, death and destruction wrought in the name of God? I have seen it, first hand. My web site is full of personal examples that I have witnessed, as well as more horrific examples from history. Since I am a former Christian, I know it's incomprehensible for the "believer" that one can live a life of concern for their fellow man without Jesus, or any other of the world's savior gods. A good person will be a good person in any religion, or even in the absence of religion. The same formula is true of a bad person. Christianity has no monopoly on goodness.
If I misjudged your intentions, my apologies. But I still would suggest that you do your homework before strenuously defending anything. That's a good rule in all walks of life, or at least that's my bitter-learned lesson!
Regards,
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In other words Scott, you cannot prove what you preach, but nonetheless degrade those of us who have, as the I Thessalonians 5:21 commands all Christians, sought to prove all things and to hold fast that which is provable. Being miserably defective at following this command, you insult all true intelligence with the old "faith" canard. Further, you insult every non-Christian who has lived a selfless life by intimating that somehow good works is the trademark of Christianity, or indeed religion. I would suggest you read my article "For the Love of God!" for some few examples of Christian "love" in human history.
No one at www.darrellwconder.com receives any remuneration for their efforts on the site. All have independent incomes. The same cannot be said of the multi-billion-dollar God-Jesus business! You see, your faith, your god and your salvation has a big $$$ price tag attached! Put another way Scott, your god doesn't come cheap!Why do I put forth the effort to teach what I have learned? It's because I once preached the fraud that you apparently embrace without having bothered to fulfill your god's command to prove it. I am one of those rare birds that will admit when I am wrong, and will seek to right the situation. In case that explanation leaves you scratching your head, it's called honesty, which is a concept utterly lacking in both your bible and your religion.
And by the way, it's odd that you try insulting me with the flat earth example. Apparently you are ignorant of the fact that this teaching is found in your "infallible" word of God . . . and that there was a time when denying it as God-revealed truth would get one burned at a Christian stake!
My friend I suggest you do your homework before you seek to "educate" others about your deified dead fraud --- your god on a stick!
Regards,
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Darrell, I have been reading a number of your writings posted on your site
and even printing them out and letting my wife read them...Anyhow I was
reading the "For The Love Of God" article and it mentions anal rape in the
case of Noah and one of his sons. I can't figure out how you came to this
conclusion and would like you to explain it if you wouldn't mind. I am not
disputing you, I am just curious how you came to the conclusion as one
other writer I have read said that homosexuality was participated in at
that time too.
Anyhow, disregard my email address [removed for privacy] as being "born again" like the "Christian" sense. It is a play on words for restoring cars! HAA...Not that I am lily white when it comes to my beliefs. But I am a CURIOUS searcher and your writings are definitely intriguing. So far I can't say I am in a major disagreement!
M R—stuck here on Earth with a bunch of nut cases....
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Hello M R, and thank you for your interest. It's been a looooooooong time since I wrote the study on Noah (back in the mid-90s), which was published in my book Mystery Babylon. The short answer is that the Hebrew legend of Noah is mirrored in pre-Tanakh legends in which he is cast as a god. In these legends "Noah" the god was deposed by a younger son who castrated his father either literally, or symbolically by homosexually raping him. This same symbolism was also featured in numerous ancient Near East tales, and indeed a variation of this surfaces in the tale of King David and Absolom, who usurped his father's power by publicly raping his wives. I cover some of these details in my Things You've Never Heard In Church: Where Christianity Really Got Its Old Testament, which is posted on the webpage at: www.darrellwconder.com/otstudy.html
Hopefully this gives you some missing pieces to the puzzle and helps answer your question. Again, thank you for the interest --- it's always good to see people thinking for themselves, no matter the end conclusion.
Regards,
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Anyhow, my wife and I both read your paper on where the old testament came from and both came to the same conclusion. We believe that the information you have gathered up is quite relevant BUT the way you present it causes folks to refuse to finish reading the complete work because of your continued attack on the people who believe the way they do. I think if you toned down your personal opinions and just stuck to the relevant facts that you have gathered your readership would find it easier to receive the works you have made the effort to put together. As for Ham..I do believe that if you stuck with the available evidence from the BIBLE as well as Bible source books such as Strong's Concordance you will find that Ham did not have an anal intercourse episode with his father, but rather had an INCESTAL relationship with his mother...just as bad if not worse...because the Hebrew "idiom" uncovering your father's nakedness has to do with fucking your mother. Which would also explain the curse on Ham's son, which was born apparently due to this relationship. Not that Ham shouldn't have been castrated at the least for screwing his mother...that is unless he and his mother were into it. Any way, since we seem to be dealing with a book of stories and myths ANYHOW...it probably doesn't matter. BUT the readers of your articles are looking for some sort of easy to find proof of whatever. I agree with your "out of the closet" article and am not surprised. Apparently the human race ALL have tendencies towards bisexuality according to studies done by universities. We suppress those "urges" if you will due to societal expectations or religious ones, whatever. Anyhow, I really APPRECIATE all the effort you are doing to WAKE the brain dead up!
Your friend, M
Did God Create Evil? A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!" "God created everything?" the professor asked. "Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied. The professor answered, "If God created everything ; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are , then we can assume God is evil." The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The other students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied , "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat." The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" The Professor sputtered, "Then how do you explain night if darkness does not exist?" The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present." Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light." The professor sat down.
B R
Obviously the student didn't know his bible. Isaiah 45:5-7 "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me . . . I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
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Dear Mr. Conder~
I have followed your career with interest & concern. I too am a former WCG member and am not unsympathetic to your conversion.
I had the opportunity to study your book MBII when it was published and wavered for quite some time.
I have been led in a different direction, however and must follow my conscience as you must follow yours.
I am enclosing an article which was of great value to me as I struggled with some of the more valid points of your work.
Just another point of view to consider.
This is in no way meant to ridicule or patronize you but to establish a healthy dialog.
Sincerely,
On 6/12/07, Darrell Conder darrellwconder@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Mr. F,
Thank you for taking the time to share your experience and for your interest in my work. Coming right to the point, I have proven to myself that the bible from Genesis to Revelation is a book of myth. Even worse, it is quite clear that the book was created to further the power and monetary interests of an elitist group hiding behind the garb of religion. Since that time it has been used by every class of scoundrel known to man for every vile purpose under the sun. As each month comes and goes I amass more evidence that my assessment of the holy bible is right on target and perhaps even worse than I now suspect.
Regarding your attachment, which is indeed a full length book, I only had to read through the preface to raise my first objection. Before I will examine anything about God's true nature or his message to mankind, I have to be shown that God is something more than a collection of ancient myths and that his bible is truth. As my webmaster commented, it would be like reading a treatise on the true nature of Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.
I hope you will not take my blunt reply as showing disrespect for you or your beliefs. I reply thus because I have found that a sharp knife cuts quickest, by which I mean that if God and his bible are nothing but myth, then it is a total waste of time reading the accumulated evangelical nonsense that addresses everything but reality.
Regards,
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Mr. Conder~
Thank you for your quick (and cutting) response.
It seems rather inequitable, that I'll continue to peruse your writings but Que Sera Sera...at least you read the preface.
I hope you don't mind if I complement you on your satirical wit, I can't help but me amused.
I'll not close with some derogatory slam or condemnation, as is the manner of some, but rather, I wish you well, as we all have a purpose.
Regards,
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Mr. F,
Thank you for the compliment. Since you seemed a bit slighted by my failure to read your attached book, and since you seem to be a sincere individual, I will ask our webmaster to post your e-mails and a link to the web page containing the book. This way any interested reader can make their own determination. I routinely do this for those who oppose my writings, although to date not one of those people have posted a reciprocal link to our web page.
Let me somewhat clarify why I didn't take the time to read the entire 171 pages of your attachment. First, it was produced by a website called www.godstruthfortoday.org which is no little hint as the purpose of the site. Second, was the preface, and third was the last paragraph of the book, which is always a good barometer of what an author is trying to sell. The author summed up his 171 page argument with these words:
The point is that I have moved way beyond debating the above theological nonsense. This is because I've proven to myself and to thousands of others, that the "word of God" is nothing more than an on-going commercial enterprise that spreads misery and death in its wake. For the past 12 years I have publicly stated my position and have ceaselessly invited anyone to show me where I am wrong. Prove to me that the bible is God's word, and I will repent and spend the rest of my days preaching the Lord. To date no one has come forward with the evidence -- and arguments from the bible that God is love and man is sinful doesn't make the grade.
I apologize that my bluntness was mistaken for rudeness, but after being on the receiving end of a S-load of "Christian love" I don't feel the need to mince words. My philosophy now is that Christians gleefully hit anyone and everyone between the eyes with their pronouncements of damnation, so I simply return the favor.
Again, thank you for taking the time to write --- even if we don't agree.
Regards,
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Hello Mr. Conder,
Today I stopped at your website after initially stopping by Dil Pickle Press to order "Might is Right." A breath of fresh air! I've been studying various religious philosophies for approximately 30 years and have come to the same conclusion as yourself. Hogwash, all of it!!!!! Until the majority of people come to this realization, our planet is in serious jepardy.
I look forward to reading your edited version of MIR and would like to continue to correspond with you on various "religious" matters.
Best wishes,
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Hello and thank you for your kind words. It's always pleasing to find a pat on my back in the inbox, since often the messages range from irate to obscene. We are in agreement about the future of our home planet. My opinion is that religion is at the core of virtually everything that's wrong with our world, since it is cradle-to-grave programming that keeps humans subservient to the powers that be.
I hope you find my edition of MIR worth the effort. Mind you, I don't endorse the entire message as a practical solution to humanity's woes, but I think it does gives some vital insight into human nature and the world as it really is.
Regards,
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Hello Darrell,
I received my copy of Might is Right yesterday and have been reading the Introduction. Fascinating! I knew that Anton LaVey had not written the Satanic Bible (he wasn't highly educated, as one would notice reading his work), but I didn't realize until my reading of last evening how much he plagiarized Dr. Ragnar Redbeard! How could he have gotten away with it for so long? Pitifully obvious to say the least! Deceit, most obviously, runs rampant across the board. Where to find accurate information? Thank you again for your hard work. It appears that you are one among the few, small islands of factual information adrift in a sea of lies. When you feel that it is not worth the effort, please remember those of us that appreciate you.
Best,
Thank you for the update and thank you for the compliment. I would be interested in your thoughts after you've finished with MIR. I will admit that RR had some lapses in logic, and that he was certainly out of step with today's PC society, but in my opinion there's a lot to be gleaned from his blunt assessment of things as they really are, which is why I took the effort to put out a new edition of his book.
Eventually, I may release an additional book revealing Redbeard's true identity, which I finally discovered last year (after a 14-month search, two cross-country trips and employing two researcher in England and Australia). There's a lot of insight into the man's other writings that explain a good deal about who and what he really was.
You are right in that we do struggle for existence in a sea of lies. My only dread is that someday even those tiny bits and pieces I think have a semblance of truth may be revealed as deceitful!
I would say that LaVey was a piece of work who only added to the mountain of deceit that we all must wade through in our daily struggle. That's a miserable legacy no matter who you are!
Regards,
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Hello Darrell,
Thank you for your reply. We can only do the very best we can and with integrity. I've been reading not only MIR, but Christopher Hitchens, Ayn Rand and others. Very enlightening. To have searched for so long and finally realized that there is no religion/belief system that is "true" has been quite an educational process and at the same time empowering. We have the power to discern, to gain knowledge and act with intelligence on that knowledge. If we allow ourselves to stand on our own and dare to think independently, it is a first step to liberation from lies and nightmares.. For me it is well worth the struggle. How wonderful! Freedom!
Best wishes,
Hello again;
After reading a small mountain of books, articles and the like, discussing various topics with some seemingly great minds, and traveling around the world as a student of humanity or the lack thereof, I believe that essentially we are our own god/goddess and there is none other. That may be the real key to it all --- to thine own self be true!
I agree with your concluding remark, except I might term it how wonderful freedom of thought and speech!
Regards,
From: K P
Dear Mr. Conder,
I am a very liberal Episcopalian who lives in [Southern] California. I have had a lot of trouble trying to force myself to swallow a lot of church dogma. I just don't believe most of it. My sister is a pagan. I have studied her beliefs. I'm not really that comfortable with everything she believes, eith er. I am currently teaching an adult education class at my church, since most priests aren't courageous enough to attempt to do so, and I came across your Old Testament-Tanakh Study Page. I swallowed it up. I
presented the information to my class. I'm also devouring Shelby Spong's latest book, "Christianity for the Non-Religious." I'm reading books about life in ancient Mesopotamia, the Sumerians, mythology, and the like. I do believe in God. I don't believe in a God who specifies one path. I think that a creator would love all of the children he or she created, regardless of the spiritual path they choose. If I can find a copy of your first book that is less than $99 (I just checked Amazon), I'll buy it. I have taught Sunday school and have tried to get the kids to think about why they believe what they believe. Most people just shove dogma down their throats. I'm a "subversive" Sunday school teacher, I guess. I am now doing the same thing with the adults. Most adults haven't even read the Bible, let alone attempt
to peel back the layers.
Oh, by the way, one of the things that got me going was Numbers 21:8-9. I asked my priest why God would instruct Moses to construct an idol of a snake that would actually heal people, since God told
Moses that idol worship was horrible. The priest told me, after initially telling me, "You just don't understand," that God didn't expect the people to worship the idol. I told her that was stupid; people are naturally going to worship something that heals them. She told me again that I just didn't get it. I asked other priests. They had nothing more to say than to point me to the snake as a symbol of death and healing, like Jesus. I studied more and found out about snake worshipping cults and goddess worship, and the attempts to repress goddess worship. I have been known as someone who is a troublemaker, asking too many questions. I want to explore and ask questions, without being criticized for doing so. How can anyone have a solid faith without constantly questioning it? If you live in Southern California and give lectures somewhere, please let me know where, because I'd like to hear you speak. Thank you for the information you've posted on the Internet. . .
Sincerely,
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Hi,
I first heard your name from an ex-Christian friend of mine. I had asked him for the definitive study he went into upon realizing the fraud of Christianity, and he directed me to your two books:
Mystery Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth
I had unsuccessfully searched for these titles on and off for months at Amazon.com and Alibris.com used books. Finally, I have acquired them, and since have not been able to stop reading them.
As a 22 year old Christian, I have in the course of the past several years given up more and more pagan traditions, or otherwise blatant lies, that most would consider fundamental to Christianity. I was taught about the Northern Israelites, about the Khazars, and somewhat about the pagan holidays. I have since given up on Paul, and seriously doubt the resurrection accounts of the gospels. In this, I have become alienated from all my former teachers, and Christian "friends."
While I read through your second book, MB & the Lost Ten Tribes, I was very fascinated to discover that many of the points you bring up, concerning the genaeologies of Christ, the "virgin" conception of Isaiah, Mithraism and the magi, the last supper and Passover, were all issues that I have had to face during the last few years as I have begun to read the bible for what it says, rather than in the light of what people have said about it. These issues, all of which I have similar opinions on, have caused many friends to leave me and/or call me a heretic/apostate.
So that's a little history about me. I just want you to know that I like your books, especially the second one. The first one was largely information I had been acquainted with (though most Christians desperately need it), but I recognize the second one as a very bold and brave adventure into the truth, asking many hard questions. Thank you for this book, which says many of the things I have been thinking for the past few years. It's way better than the World's 16 Crucified Saviors, Two Babylons, or newer ones like the Christ Conspiracy or the Jesus Mysteries, because you were a relatable Christian, with a similar doctrinal background as myself. It's very eloquent and also makes me smile and laugh.
***I want a better copy of these books I have. I see MB#1 is available on Amazon.com for 99 USD, and I don't know its condition. By any chance do you offer either of these two books?
Also, by any chance do you have the typeset versions of your books, like Word Perfect or MS Word documents? I would like to have or make a large-print version of these books to study with my grandmother and share with an old man down the street. I also have a friend who is my age, equally interested in these avenues of biblical criticism.
I have a booklet by you, called, "Is the New Testament the 'Infallible Word of God'?" Also, do you have any studies specifically on Paul, his epistles and those attributed to him, and their contradiction and/or contribution to the later-written gospels? For that matter, do you offer any other titles I may be interested in?
Thanks,
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Dear Sir:
I came across your site because I have been researching religion, in particular, Christianity, in search of the truth(s). Tell me, are you also disputing the Jesus factor? And what would you say about prophesy to date, and the turmoil that's playing out in the Middle East?
Thank you for any response.
Hello, and thanks for taking the interest to write.
Yes, I dispute the Jesus factor, if by that you mean the gospel accounts of his life. As for prophecy and its seeming fulfillment in the Middle East, I have answered that in a number of letters and/or articles on the web site.
Briefly, the fact that Christianity has been the dominant religion in the West for fifteen plus centuries, has ultimately shaped foreign affairs from the times of the earliest popes to the present occupant of the White House, who claims to have communication with God. The bible, and especially Christianity, was the impetus behind the formation of the nation/state of Israel, and that nation, driven by the belief that the Jews have a God-given right to conquer the entire Middle East, has and is still laying ground work that could easily bring the world into war over the Middle East. This isn't bible prophecy being fulfilled, but men using the bible as an excuse and blueprint to carry out their dreams of world conquest. It's a never-ending story and (given the advent of nuclear weapons) one that may spell the doom of our planet, since there will be no Jesus Christ to intervene at the last moment.
Regards,
Hello Darrell,
I hope that you are in good health and still in your search for reality. I'm doing likewise from my little corner and every day finding out that there are more and more of the official myths that must be challenged.
I don't know about you, but as I get older I feel compelled to look more into how to preserve my remaining health and even to improve it. In that quest I have learned about a man, Dr. Robert O. Young who has developed a theory that I'm beginning to study and believe it to be a breakthrough.
Please go to his site and learn for yourself, I'm sure that you will not regret it.
http://www.phmiracleliving.com/
There is a section where you can buy some of his seminars. These seminars are very educational, revolutionary, and interesting and, hopefully, if put in practice could literally save our lives and those of our beloved that might be willing to heed.
Best Personal Regards,
----- Original Message -----
Darryl
It is now a few years since I first read your books. I have a few questions which I have no answers for. The most important question I am pondering is the reason for mankinds existence here on earth.
It cannot be that we are here only to consume the resources of this wonderful planet and then to die.
Thanks
From: Dr. R
Hi Darrell,
I appreciate your literature and web site. I have a question about your
discussion of Simon Magus. The major role you have given him seems to
be conjecture on your part. In reading the Nag Hammadi gospels, Simon
was important, but not the "whole show". However, can you convince me?
Do you have a bibliography to back up your assertions about Simon Magus?
Thanks
Hello Doctor and thanks for the interest. I researched and wrote the material on SM about twelve years ago, and unfortunately, I don't have any of the original notes at hand. The most comprehensive material is
contained in a very lengthy book I wrote then titled Mystery Babylon the Great. The information on Simon Magus is rather detailed in the last chapter and is documented. If I correctly recall, it was based mostly on early Church tradition, which basically forms the whole fabric of early Christian Church history. In my opinion that source should be as reliable as using the same material to argue favorable points about the apostles and other Christian notables.
I hope this somewhat helps to answer your question.
Regards,
----- Original Message -----
Examining the doubts we have about our present way is a highly intelligent act. Anyone weary of stumbling in the dark has taken the first step toward walking in the light. The one supreme power that will guarantee personal happiness is personal right thinking. Inner light shows you what to do with yourself all day long, making everything comfortable. Acquired beliefs and cosmic facts are as different as pebbles and diamonds. Please people and you achieve nothing, but please your real self and you start a miracle. Feel the need for something different, then let it grow by having affection for it. Cosmic wisdom reveals why unhappy events happen, after which they cease to happen. You are not required to listen to anyone, who demands, "What are you doing about my problems?" Even if all your friends and relatives do not know how to live rightly, you can surely know. No one is more qualified than you to discover the true treasures of your inner kingdom. The very nature of your essence is confidence, so why seek this virtue outside of essence? Freedom from painful decisions is a happy result of discovering who you really are. Truth has its reasons for acting as it does, and every one of them is for your benefit.
Calm command can replace agitation as surely as sunshine can replace a storm. All good things come to anyone who refuses to be intimidated by his own despair. By eliminating the sheep in himself, a man gives psychic wolves nothing to prey upon. Welcome higher facts without understanding them and in time you will understand. Truth does not hurt, rather, it is our resistance to its message that causes pain. When a frantic world tries to carry you away, remind yourself that you need not go. Self-knowledge creates an inner state in which you are valuable to yourself in a new way. The feeling of being in danger from oneself fades with the application of higher facts. Be aware of how people insist upon draining your energy, then quietly refuse it. Heartache can be conquered because a higher part of you is free and apart from heartache. It is a bright day when we see that cosmic facts are as practical as a recipe for baking bread. Reflect often on the interesting idea of getting out of your own way. We attract events which correspond to our nature, so a higher nature will attract higher events. One thing that is always right is your eagerness for something higher than yourself. Most people merely rearrange their problems, but with self-insight you can end them. By seeing what we fear to see we shatter one of the pillars supporting the haunted house. Wrong action in the past is corrected perfectly by right action in the present. Self-concern is caused by living from mere ideas, which is cured by living from essence.
Real courage consists of departing from the false while not yet knowing what is true. We learn to love the light by seeing clearly what the darkness does to us. One day you will look calmly at a fear and say to it, "You have shaken me for the last time." We can either hear what we want to hear or we can hear the rescuing truths. Starting now, never again permit hard or disapproving facial expressions to intimidate you. A quiet mind knows the answer, which means we must cease to fight anxiously for the answer. Living from your real nature is the same as doing something worthwhile with your life. If you are now reading this line, you have a rich opportunity to make everything new.
From: LC
Darrell,
It has been a while since I wrote you how ever, I do keep coming back from time to time. That is what brought me to this email. I was just reading the article on "How Christianity got its New Testament"
and as I read down I just, more and more, felt I had to make a comment about it. Since 1997, after I got over the kick in the gut by WWCG and begged my family to forgive me for all the money I had taken from us and give to the Church. After I had read your second MB in the end times and got over that kick in the gut. I begin my own trip back in time, so to speak, to see what I could find. From 1995 unto the soon to be 2007 has truly been a trip. More than 10 years and I believe I have learned a lot but just a small bit
of what is out there to learn.
You see Darrell, I have never wanted to go some where and do something just because every one
else was. Now to my comments: When I knew without any doubt that the WWCG was heading for the rocks, I did not have a lot of time to make up my mind. I begin first to look at the groups that were forming out of the WWCG. This made me look at the foundations upon which they were building their groups. What I saw was almost a replay of the reformation of the Church of Rome with the Protesters during the first half of the 2nd millennium. These groups came together to form their own groups following the guidelines that had been sit down by the WWCG. Much the same as the many groups that had split with Rome during the protestant reformation. They all wanted to hold to the teaching of HWA (read "Rome")as close as they could but, choose different leaders and different names. Never questioning the foundation of the faith.
It is the same with "The good old Bible" and also with the story of "Jesus and the Apostles" and "The Church Fathers" it is my firm belief that the Christian Church" had its beginning in the 3rd century, early part, and anything that is put forth pointing to Jerusalem as its birthplace is just the piling on of lies on top of lies to try to hold on to the "Faithful". The Apostles who were "Sent forth to preach the gospel" were sent forth from Rome by Constantine who was the founder of this "New" religion and, the one who could be called the "Early Church Father"! These Apostles were also backed up by the Armies of Rome.
That is my comment.
I do admire the long hours you must put in and the information you put out
there.
Take care
Hello L,
I thank you for your comments and taking the time to write. It's a bit reassuring to know that someone out there appreciates my efforts. Too often I am met with silence which makes me wonder if what I'm doing is worth my efforts. I know that a lot people are still reading my site, but they don't often take the time to write --- either in a positive way or otherwise.
I find that the more I research and dig, the more I see that we have all been the victims of lies in every facit of our lives. It starts in the cradle and goes on to the grave --- beyond the grave, when we consider what the government does to our heirs.
Anyway, you are welcome to stop by anytime with your comments andsuggestions!
Regards,
----- Original Message -----
Boy, am I embarrassed. As my last email subject line indicated I was going to mention the point about the difference between Paganism and Christianity and after I hit the send button I noticed that I had not said a word about that. So, I had to follow through on that sad omission. Paganism/Christianity!
The second kick in the gut I spoke of before was when I read your second MB book and that is why I wondered why you keep talking about some of the stuff in Christianity being from Paganism. You see, Christianity IS Paganism.
And it was from the very start, Everything from bunny rabbits to virgin ladies. From the death of a man deity to the pearly gates. This council you spoke of was for one purpose, to form a religion that every one could feel comfortable with and even then it had to be enforced with the sword!
Thing is, religion in any form is still pagan! I talk about this a lot on my site. That don't mean it is true but it is what I believe. Just wanted to say that.
Take care
Darrell,
I believe I can understand how you feel. This is all PART of the deception. When people see you are telling them something they don't LIKE and, than they can NOT prove you are lieing, they just make belief
they NEVER knew you. IF they never knew you, even IF you give them the truth, it makes NO differences.
As far as I know I have just a few people who go to my site but once in a great while some one comes along who gets so mad at me they send me a message to tell me how stupid I am! Thats OK!
Darrell, Take Care
From: Jacob
Darrel Conder,
I was briefly browsing through your website. I was just wodnering, what is your view of Orthodox Judaism and the Tanach?
Thanks,
Hello, Jacob,
Please excuse my delay in answering (your e-mail was just forwarded over to me). My beliefs on Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, Conservative and otherwise) is plainly stated in my open letter on the home page of
darrellwconder.com. However, I will state again that I consider these and all religions as simply the inventions of men for the enslavement of the human race. I have found the Tanakh to be a book of contradictions, borrowed myths and outright lies. No worse "holy" book has ever been produced since
it has played a prominent role in the misery and death of untold billions.
There is truth out there in the universe but we shall not find it by relying on the "holy books" of unscrupulous priests. This can only come when we free ourselves from such fetters and soar into unchartered waters!
Regards,
----- Original Message -----
Darrell, you and Lawrence are going over the line with some of the hateful things you are writing on your webpage!!! May God forgive you for what you two are doing!!!!
----- Original Message -----
MSS. WHAT DOES THIS STAND FOR?
Hello Fred,
"MSS." and/or "MS." is an abbreviation for "manuscripts or manuscript." ----- Original Message -----
FORGET THE MSS! YOU GO DARRELL. I JUST CAME OUT OF THE JESUS CRAP ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO. I JUST ADDED SOME WEIGHT TO MY LIFE, OR SOME LACK OF GRAVITY, WHAT A TREAT TO READ YOUR WORDS. IF YOU NEED SOME PROTECTION CALL ME AND I WILL! COME AND KICK THEIR ASS!
----- Original Message -----
Hi Darrell
I simply love your article about "A STUDY OF SATAN AND A HUMAN TRAGEDY" [webmaster's note: this article has been renamed Satan: The Lies, the Myths, the Human Tragedy!, which you can read by clicking this link.] However I have small question regarding one particular point you made.
According to the famous medieval biblical Jewish commentator, Rashi, the word "Nephilim" is derived from the Hebrew verb "nafal" (to fall), by which he concludes that the Nephilim are the fallen angels
However on the online Judaica Press Translation, which provides Rashi's commentary, states the following
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=8171&showrashi=true The Nephilim [They were called ????????? because they fell (???????) and caused the world to fall (?????????) (Gen. Rabbah 26:7), and in the Hebrew language it means giants (Pirkei d'Rabbi Eliezer , ch.22). and Targum Jonathan
Could you please tell where are you getting the information that Rashi said that Nephilim are fallen angels? Also in the Judaica Press translation, Gen 6 translates a part of verse as Sons of the Nobles rather than Sons of God. I asked for the reason on this Jewish Forum http://p069.ezboard.com/fmessiahtruthfrm7.showMessage?topicID=1146.topic
Looking forward to your reply.
Thanks
Hello Pritish. It has been years since I read the article I wrote on Satan, so you have an advantage on me here. All I can give you is the reference Ig
have for the quotation, which is as follows: "According to the famous medieval biblical Jewish commentator, Rashi, the word "Nephilim" is derived from the Hebrew verb "nafal" (to fall), by which he concludes that the Nephilim are the fallen angels.(53) (53) Isaacs, Ronald H., Ascending Jacob's Ladder. (Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson, Publishers, 1998), p. 83.
Although I relied on Rabbi Isaacs for the quote, I'm sure I also checked it out at the time since my Hebrew library then was very extensive, and it was and is my custom to check out quotations before I use them. However, I no longer have that library, so I am unable to provide any details. I did ask a member of our staff for his insight here, since he keeps up on such things. Here is his reply:
I hope this offers some insight. Keep in touch,
----- Original Message -----
Hi Darrell,
Thank you so much for responding. I did not know that it was one of your real old articles.
In any case one of the reason why I asked you this was because in my recent conversations with Orthodox Jews on internet forums, I have come to undestand that according to them ,Angels do not have freewill, hence that is one of the main reasons why they reject the christians doctrine of the Devil/Satan.
Now I don't know whether or not this is a post Christianity Jewish thinking, but the main point is that is that Rashi never seems to have made a statement. Atleast that's what my Jewish sources say.
. . . Like I mentioned before the Jewish translation does not translate Genesis 6 as "Son of God" but rather as "Son of Nobles", so his point about the story to literal sons of the Gods may be disputed because of the differences in translations. Whether or not it is inspired by a previous pagan story is besides the points.
In fact even the Rabbi on that forum, insists that the Judaica Press translation is more accurate because it is translating to context. So I guess the best I can say that Genesis 6 is yet another disputed translation amongst Jews and Christians.
In my discussions online, I have posted your articles several times. As you can understand, from a scholarly point of view, inaccurate(or percieved inaccurate) facts can put a dent into the credibility of the article.
Thanks a lot of your time though. I will nevertheless post your article to others since the other points you bring up are accurate and pretty good.
Thanks
From: MR
You have only scratched the surface. Man kind is bent on screwing his fellow man and turning the planet into a waste area. Maybe someone is watching us as an experiment and will step in before it is too late.
Worse yet Darrell...If you do some research into 9-11, that is if you haven't already, you have to find that George Bush and his wonderful cadre of so called Christians were directly responsible for 9-11 along with some Mossad help, I am sure.
I am more than likely a deist. Someone who believes in a creator, but has a
major problem with "revealed" religion.
I know a good deal about 911 Mark, and in the past I've gotten myself into some deep "do-do" over expressing my thoughts in print! The more I dig into the real workings of this world, the worse it becomes --- and yet I feel that I've only scratched the surface!
From: Cam Rea
Might makes right is fucking stupied man. Sounds like you feel weak and are looking for a reason to feel strong! I noticed some of the books you have listed on your website. I have most of these books, and most of them are shit! Dumb, boring speculative, idotic and poor sorces.
I also like your scroll about Bush. I thought might makes right no matter what your religion, philosophy or politics is. So what's all the fighting about. Sounds like little men with little dicks trying to pull up their big boy pants to prove a point that I can give less then two shits about!
Two shits? Since you took the time to write, looks like you must at least give one shit! But hey, why hold back; why don't you tell us what you really think?!
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:49:25 -0700 "Robert" writes:
Reading through Dunaway's arguments about Jesus being the messiah, I would like to point out that all those rules of probability only apply if the prophecies actually refer to a messiah, and Jesus actually did all these things. Theres no evidence for either scenario. The OT actually makes very clear that King David himself is the Messiah, and some Orthodox Jews today believe that.
Robert
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:17:23 -0700 "Patrick" writes:
[Dunaway] ignores most of your points because he doesn't have any answers. The motive is obvious for why pastors and religious leaders would knowingly teach religious lies, there is a great deal of money to be made for one thing, fame, power, respect and admiration, there is a lot to be gained by lying to the public about the Bible! Many faith healers and televangelists have already been exposed as frauds, so we already know that these people were motivated by something other than trying to help people.
From: "Packer, Linda"
George Bush goes to a primary school to talk to the kids to get a little PR. After his talk he offers question time. One little boy puts up his hand and George asks him his name.
Darrell,
It was most revealing to read Linda Packer's comments on your personal page. I assume Linda speaks for you. If so, then you have at last taken off your mask to reveal yourself as nothing more than a first class anti-Semite! You and Linda belong in the gutter with Mel Gibson and Holocaust deniers. One day you both will have to answer for what you are doing!
Janice T.
Darrell,
Christians are always coming up with so-called proofs that this or that scripture is true and that certain events actually happened. I recently learned that this globe spends around at the speed of about 1100 miles per hr. Now if the sun & moon were to stand still that would mean that this earth would have to stop spinning, right? Wouldn't that put the wind velocity at 1100 miles per hr.? That is stronger then any hurricane I've ever heard of yet we are expected to believe during that wind, which is strong enough to up root trees, Joshua & his men simply went on their business whacking the "heathens" to pieces. That's a little too much for me to swallow. And that is another reason that I agree with you Mr. Conder and wish to thank you for opening my eyes. Thank you very much. You have my permission to print this if you wish.
Orville Strong
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:20:01 EDT Linda Packer writes:
Darrell, have you died and gone to hell?
How can you read [Sandra's] BS without losing it? How can you continually be
subjected to this ignorance without telling them all where to go?
You are of the Norse, the Pagani, the Germani, the Celtai, the fierce warrior race.
You are not a shepherd of people. You are not a nurse-maid of the feebleminded. It is time to give strong
medicine and then leave the wounded to die or learn to live on their own . . .
Linda
Well Linda, you do have a way of putting your finger on the pulse of things. I do show considerable restraint with most; the reason being that I painfully remember that there was a time in the not-so-distant past when I was just as ignorant as those who now accost me. In my Christian ignorance I was smug and arrogant and KNEW I had all the answers. Little did I know how pathetic I truly was. I guess that's why I now strive to show patience and understanding. You've heard that old saying that with God all things are possible? Well, the fact is that with God there is only one thing that is possible, and that is to enrich the lying bastards who preach in his name; BUT WITHOUT GOD IN TRUTH ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! That is the foundation of all knowledge, and the only hope any of us have, which is why I do what I do. Mayhap Sandra will some day come to see this, as you and I once did. If not, then there are a few billion more out there that have the potential to learn.
DWC
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:08:01 EDT [someone] writes:
Hey Conder, in my book you are a hopeless piece of atheist shit! You deserve to be roasted alive forever in the deepest part of a scalding hell! People like Sandra are wasting their time warning you about anything, as you have lost your eternal soul many years ago. May our Gracious Lord hasten the day you can be cast into the burning pits of hell for the good of this world! (You may publish my name if you want, as I'm not in the least bit afraid to stand for my beliefs!)
Well, who-ever-you-are, you conveniently forgot to sign your e-mail, and your e-mail address was missing from your message. Anyway, it's always good when good Christians like you come out of your cocoons long enough to vindicate my points about the destructive ignorance that only Christianity can foster. So thanks for stopping by!
DWC
[Editor's Note: The following e-mails were originally sent with the demand that we not publish the correspondence. After a few exchanges, we received a final e-mail offering permission to reprint the correspondence.]
From: Sandra Z.
Hello,
You probably will be surprised that I had been a "Christian" for over 50 years but now do not believe in any religion nor any pagan "god". I have done a lot of study on religion and topics but I accept the Tanakh as Scripture. I don't have any information to the contrary. I just started reading Mystery Babylon and the Lost Ten Tribes in the End Time. I understand that you are refruting "Christianity" not the Tanakh in this book (I'm only on page 11). So, where can I find information and only reputable
information concerning the Tanakh.
I was really surprised when I turned from Christianity because with the evidence that I was faced with I came to believe it was not true. If something looks pagan from all angles, it is because it is pagan.
I do believe in the Creator. I find that the Scripture makes sense when not seen through the eyes of other writings.
I am sure you can point me in some direction to check out your claims.
Sincerely,
Sandra Z.
Darrell W Conder wrote:
Hello, and thank you for taking the time to write. As per your wish, we will not publish your letter. I too was a life-long Christian (a minister no less) until I finally saw through all the hypocrisy, the lies and outright frauds. My coming out was in stages—first Christianity and then the Old Testament,
or Tanakh, but it was a slow, painful process. My first step was not being afraid to research and to accept what I proved, no matter the consequences.
I have a fair amount of information on my web page (www.darrellwconder.com) relating to the errors of the Tanakh. A good article is the Satan Study, which is actually an entire booklet. Also, the study in Genesis is quite revealing.
I do plan on someday getting the entire bible—from Genesis to Revelation—critiqued and posted on my page, but there always seems to be other things that get in the way. In the mean time, if I can offer
any personal insight, I will do my best. Again, thank you for writing.
Regards,
Darrell On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Sandra Z. writes:
Hi, I guess I am like you in a lot of ways. There is probably one main difference. I believe in the Creator and choose to adhere to His Word. I am finding in this life that those things that are not real Satan comes along through religions and/or governments and tries to convince us that they are real. Then, Satan somes in other ways to try to convince us that those things that are real are false. If the Scriptures are not real then there is nothing in this world that is real. And if nothing in this world is real then neither are we because we have nothing to base our beliefs on. Something has to be real. Otherwise there would be no standard to choose to believe in something or not to believe in something. There would be no standard period.
It just so happens that the standard is the thing that people are trying to disprove because they are believing the lie.
I'm with you, Darrell, in that I have gone through a lot of depression. It is hard to believe in the Creator and be out there pretty much on your own bucking family, friends, co-workers. It makes me feel crazy sometimes going through all of this and trying to understand all of it at the same time.
I guess I rather be dead and not even be here if I did not have a Creator to look forward to. Even eternal life is somewhat frightening because it is something I do not understand. All I have to do to believe in the Creator is look at His creation. If I look at nature I see a creator. If I look at men I see a creator. If I look at women, I see a creator at work. How could there be so many species and varieties without a creator.
I also believe there is an enemy. The enemy is very sly and cunning. Even Satan is so deceptive that he wants us to believe he is a he instead of a she. There is no limit to her deceptions.
I just hope that you did not buy into her lies. Because if you did then you are the looser. I have to admit, your beliefs shook me up. I could check out your website and study what you have studied to come up with the same conclusions you came up with. But where would that get me? There is still a creator. There are still men and women. There are still creatures of every variety. And there is coming an end to this evil world in the near future.
I want to be believing in a creator that is loving and kind and wants a relationship with His creation. I want to trust in a righteous and just creator. When I look in Scripture and read prophecies, they make sense. I can see where we are on the timeline and we are at the end of the end. There is no time to denounce the creator and expect to survive the consequences.
Please revisit your reasonings for your conclusions. Do you have a humble heart that seeks truth or are you looking for ways to rebel against the one who loves you -- the one who made you -- just like those all around you.
Sandra
Darrell W Conder wrote:
Sandra, I too believe in a creator, just not the vindictive, bloodthirsty one outlined in the Tanakh. I have spent many years believing in and preaching that god only to finally discover that I was wrong—proven by a mountain of evidence, some of which is on my web page. I'm sorry that you fear the prospect of discovering the truth. I too went through that syndrome, so I understand. But believing in a lie will get you nowhere, perhaps even worse off than you are now, since it deprives you of the only chance you may ever have of learning the truth. However, in the end it is your choice. I'm not here to try and persuade anyone to see my views. Those who want to know why I believe what I do may visit my web page; the rest can simply click on their back button.
Hopefully you will have peace, whatever your decisions.
Best wishes,
Darrell On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Sandra Z. writes:
Darrell, how do you see the one I believe is the Creator as vindictive and bloodthirsty as outlined in the Tanakh? Please don't send me to your website for the answer. Cuz that is not how I see the One spoken of in the Tanakh. Also, what is a creator supposed to be like?
SanDee
Darrell W Conder wrote:
Sandra,
As unpleasant as it may be, the fact is that I have thoroughly disproved the Tanakh as the word of any deity. I have proven that it is indeed the word of "man." As such it was written for political reasons and therefore the "god" of the Tanakh reflects the bloody, greedy political aspirations of the priesthood and ruling families of Judea. It's all a matter of history and is easily proven for those who have the courage to step outside their individual comfort zones. I have written extensively on this matter and I simply do not have the time to answer in individual e-mails with the kind of details required to back my views. If you don't care to read my writings, then I must leave it at that.
Regards,
Sandra Z. wrote:
Darrell,
I've been thinking a lot about what you have told me. In a lot of ways, I can see what you are saying. In fact, I can see that what you believe is correct IF seen through the eyes of religion. There is a difference between "religion" and the "true faith given to Abraham via a covenant".
In the name of religion numerous wars have been fought. In the name of religion there have been blood thirsty, greedy men aspiring to control the whole world at the expense of millions of people's lives, homes, and dignities. I agree with you on that point.
To draw conclusions correctly, we have to be able to see clearly. That is where Satan has come in because she blinds the eyes and perverts ways. What we see is not what is real. The only way we can see "truth" is through the eyes of the Creator who IS Truth.
Your last email to me was correct except for two words. I have taken the liberty to correct those two words for your consideration as follows:
All of Scripture is about the Creator trying to get His creation to love Him and obey Him. When the Creator dealt with a situation or a people it was because of tremendous sin on their part. Being a just and righteous Sovereign, He is obligated to deal with such according to their sin and wickedness to protect the righteous. That does not mean that in the end time they will not have an opportunity to choose the Righteous Creator as their Savior and Sovereign. Everyone will have an opportunity once to choose between their old way or the Sovereign of the Universe. Of course there will be a severe consequence if they choose other than their Creator. That is what gehenna is for (the garbage dump).
Darrell, I am concerned for you. Yes, I am coming from a standpoint that the Creator is righteous and just and kind and awesome in ALL of His Ways. Yes, I am coming from a standpoint that His Word is True and Right and Just. I know words have been perverted through the translators. But even though that is what has transpired STILL if we seek the Creator with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength, WE WILL BE FOUND BY HIM!
If we come to the Creator with a seeking heart, a pure heart, a humble heart, HE WILL FIND US. This life is but a test to see if we will indeed believe His Word, believe that He is righteous and just (the foundations of His throne - Psalm 89:14).
You have read the same Scripture (Tanakh) that I have read and all I come away with is thankfulness and a heart full of love when I read those words. When I read His Word, it is as though honey were dripping - the words are so sweet. BECAUSE I know those words are a message to me of His love, His care for me, and His concern that I walk in His ways so that I will be safe from the enemy of my soul, and so that I can have a relationship with Him for time without end.
What I see here (and I am no expert) is that you have taken what men are doing and saying and attributing that to the Creator. Because of evil, there will be a time of trouble (Time of Jacob's Trouble). Darrell, do you know the definition of evil? Basically it means: lawless. If you are righteous, then you are: lawful.
The Creator's desire for all men is that they follow His Ways. If they choose not to follow His ways, there are consequences -- eventually. In the meantime, those on this earth are exposed to the horrendous results of men's evil ways. Evil is not the fault of the Creator. When man commits evil it is because they are not listening to and obeying the Creator.
Yes, Darrell, I have a choice. I can believe your words or I can choose to believe the words of the One who loves me. You say "I have thoroughly disproved the Tanakh as the word of any deity." Actually, that is CORRECT! The Tanakh is NOT the word of just any deity (superhuman, god, goddess, heavenly being) it is the word of the ETERNAL SOVEREIGN who is the Creator of all of the Cosmos -- the Mighty One of Israel.
Whoever a person obeys spiritually that is their god. Darrell, you are not my "god" and never will be. I do not follow the words of man or men. You are in a dangerous position because you are getting a following because of your words. Because of man's nature, they will look for ways of disproving truth to justify their behavior and you have given man another excuse to not follow the True and Living Creator.
THIS IS YOUR WARNING.
July 15, 2006
Darrell, now you have my permission to publish this whole conversation in full.
And, by the way, this is your warning.
From: "Melissa"
Hello,
A friend gave me your site, and I haven't read it yet, but I'll try to get to it soon.
My friend is a Mormon, and I used to be a Mormon. I know about the old WWCOG, but what does Darrell believe now? Is he a member of any particular church or anything?
Anyway, please answer if you can, thanks...
Hello Melissa,
Your e-mail was forwarded over to me, and I thank you for taking the time to write. I am a member of no church or organization since I do not in any way find any validity in the Christian or Jewish bibles. All of this came from a thorough and exhaustive study into these books and the religions they spawned.
In many ways I am an agnostic, although I do believe in a creation, and therefore some form of a creator. There my specific beliefs end, leaving me open to consider every point of view, or at least nominally.
For anyone wishing more in-depth answers to my beliefs, they can be found in my writings, most of which are posted on our web page, and good deal that I hope to eventually post.
I hope this helps answer your question.
Regards,
Darrell On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:49:09 -0700 "Melissa" writes:
Dear Darrell,
Thank you for the quick response, I was able to read more of your site this morning, and saw on there what you just told me. Sorry I was just impatient! lol! Anyway, have you ever read "New Evidence That Demands a Verdict." By Josh McDowell? I'm sure you've heard of it. I disagree with your view of the bible, but I have no reason to be rude about it. I used to be a Mormon, and so I know how stupid it is when Mormon write me and yell at me. Grow up you know? My site is www.gospelhelp.com and it doesn't go over well with them.
I'm on a quest for more knowledge about the bible, but for the time being, all I can tell you is that there are several stances on it that all have good points, and what would seem to be conflicting evidence, and so simply through my experiences of coming out of Mormonism the way I did, I can't with good conscience say there is no loving God, who wants a relationship with me. And if there is a loving God, then he would make sure his word was preserved. He would make sure his message would come through intact in the bible, whether every word is perfect to the origonal or not, it cannot lead his children astray, or he does not exist at all. And I can't dismiss the miracle that happened to me, which was I was a 100% devout Mormon, all my life, born and raised, and one day... I said one prayer, that God would make sure my unborn son would have his truth. You see I was Mormon, and my husband was a Christian. I didn't want my son, to be a Christian, but a Mormon, and this was what I was really praying for. But after my absolute devoutness to Mormonism, three weeks later I was sitting in Mormon church, and everything I heard, I knew was a lie. I was terrified, confused, and angry.
Not only did I know Mormonism was wrong without ever studying it, I knew what was true. It had just been planted in my heart supernaturally, and I'm certain things like this just don't happen on their own. I sought nothing, I let go of nothing, I questioned nothing, and yet there I was changed. God honored my prayer that my baby woul have his truth, and by golly I had no idea that had to change and not my husband, for this to happen. My life turned upside down without my consent, but I have never looked back, because it was all too strong and sure to doubt. I can't fully explain to you how it felt. I was just blindsided.
Like when Paul was stopped on the road to damascus. He wasn't seeking either.
Mormonism can be so disproved that there is no hope left. The bible... is not that way. You can either take the evidence for, and add faith that God would preserve it supernaturally, or you can take the evidence against, and say there is no God, or heaven and hell, or need for a savior.
You don't need to respond unless you want to, because I have no desire or time to argue, I just wanted to share this with you, and with you the best.
Hello Melissa,
Thanks for not wanting to argue, since I too am short on time. A good deal of my research about the bible is on my page, and it's the result of years of intense research—and research the hard way, since every time I turned loose of another tiny bit of the bible, it was with a lot of wrangling over the evidence versus my conscience. In other words, I, as a life-long fundamentalist Christian and a later minister, didn't abandon the bible without a fight! It was a long, drawn-out blood-sweat-and-tears process that came in bits and pieces over the course of years.
The long and short of it all is that I
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I am S A. I was directed to your website by an acqauintance I know from online. I read that we dont need to believe in Christ or be baptized? You referred to the young man who came to Christ to ask Him what he needed to have eternal life. This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and your idea that belief in Christ and baptism are not necesary but only the ten commandments, show an ignorance of the gospel.
I thought you knew your bible! Apparently you don't. You mentioned "This was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost" I am sure you know enough about the bible? that (John 1:1-3,10, 14, Act 17:24, John 8:58, Colossians 1:16.) says, that Jesus Christ was God and He created everything that exists, which includes the Old and New Testament. and that God gave his Holy Spirit to those people back there and they were saved from their sins, as follows; Psalm 51:11 Hide Your face from my sins; blot out all my iniquities. 12 Fashion a pure heart for me, O God; create in me a steadfast spirit. 13 Do not cast me out of Your presence, or take Your holy spirit away from me. 14 Let me again rejoice in Your help; let a vigorous spirit sustain me. 15 I will teach transgressors Your ways, that sinners may return to You. Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Proverbs 7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
Think about this, sinners being forgiven their sin's and returning back to God! and there was no need of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Before Christ ascended to Heaven, He commanded the apostles to "Go forth, and baptize all nation in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It seems you want to downplay or trivialize this command of Christ..
I had nothing to do with this, the bible is the source of this information, all I had to do, is copy what the bible said.
Thank you for pointing out another point that helps prove that Jesus Christ is nothing but a Chronic LIAR.
As Psalm 51:11-15, Ezekiel 18:21-22, proves this to be true!
Seems you failed to see that Jesus Christ Lied About the Ten Commandments. Reread the article and show where He did not LIE about this!
Just like He is Lying about the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins. Jesus Christ knew this, He was the God of the Old Testament that commanded these things to be taught, so the Holy Spirit could be given to the people and they would be forgiven their sins!! What a deceiver and a Liar!
If you don't want to go to the LAKE of FIRE, better not follow Jesus Christ, because that is where is has gone! (Revelation 21:8)
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"Here we have the great contrast between man's miserable self-made destinies and God's grand and gracious goal. Man not only destroys God's creatures, but undermines His deity and robs Him of the appreciation of His heart's handiwork. God's goal not only upholds His deity but gives His creatures such confidence in Him that all concern as to His love and power disappears. They willingly, yes eagerly, leave themselves in His hands without any assurance whatever on His part as to His intentions. Faith and hope are no longer needed, so they vanish, and only love remains. Knowing Him as God, limitless in power and wisdom, and as essential Love, they prefer to remain in fond anticipation of that which the ear hears not, to which the heart of man cannot ascend, that which God makes ready for those who are loving Him. They rely on His Word, they delight in His ways, and they revel in the appreciation of Himself."
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Darrell, Rashi said the Nephilim were the sons of "princes and judges". There is a footnote in the Artscroll Tanakh. I don't really care for Rashi
because I never found him or his work very impressive, the latter being largely un-literal in many areas. Based on the context of the verse it seems more likely to me the story refers to literal sons of the gods. All and all it's just another ancient pagan story stolen by the Torah.
The ancient Hebrews were orignally henotheistic rather than monotheistic, hence you find references to Ruth's mother in law telling her to go back to her people and her gods, and you find references to Pharaoh's magicians using magic and other gods are spoken of or implied as though they were real.
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"Stanley," responds the little boy.
"And what is your question, Stanley?"
"I have 4 questions:
First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes?
Third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Fourth, why are we so worried about gay-marriage when 1/2 of all Americans don't have health insurance?"
Just then, the bell rings for recess. George Bush informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.
When they resume George says, "OK, where were we?
Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"
Another little boy puts up his hand. George points him out and asks him his name.
"Steve," he responds."And what is your question, Steve?"
"Actually, I have 6 questions.
First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the support of the UN?
Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes?
Third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Fourth, why are we so worried about gay marriage when 1/2 of all Americans don't have health insurance?
Fifth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?
And sixth, what the hell happened to Stanley?"
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Personal. Do no publish my information.
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Sandra, As unpleasant as it may be, the fact is that I have thoroughly disproved the Tanakh [Sandra replaced the word Tanakh with the word Talmud] as the word of any deity. I have proven that it is indeed the word of "man." As such it was written for political reasons and therefore the "god" [Sandra replaced the word "god" with the words "g-d h-shem"] of the Tanakh [again, Sandra replaced the word Tanakh with the word Talmud] reflects the bloody, greedy political aspirations of the priesthood and ruling families of Judea. It's all a matter of history and is easily proven for those who have the courage to step outside their individual comfort zones. I have written extensively on this matter and I simply do not have the time to answer in individual e-mails with the kind of details required to back my views. If you don't care to read my writings, then I must leave it at that. Regards, DWC
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